Alright then.Can't wait until they include women in the Worlds Strongest Man competition.They can just call it Worlds Strongest Person so as not to be sexist.Maybe we'll get a female champion in the first year?

As the rest of the convo was deleted, the links on their own would make no sense...and would appear that you are randomly bringing up pedohpiles in a thread about gay adoption...

For the record as one of my posts vanished.
I do not agree with Winston about gay couples adopting being "child abuse".
I think that is an extreme view and is innaccurate.Do i think same sex parents are ideal?No but i would'nt stop them adopting as there alot of kids that need homes and "not ideal" does'nt necessarily mean bad.

If your going to belittle someone about their intellect then at least spell paedo correctly fgs.

Still stand by my point about paedophiles being devious enough that two male ones would and have got together in order to gain a child by posing as a gay couple so they could adopt.

Considering paedophiles spend years grooming a victim i find it astonishing that you mock my point about them being devious enough to do this.

The thread is about winston's view that gay adoption is child abuse. Paedophilia could not be more relevant to the thread. And the articles I linked to clearly showed gay couples being convicted of abusing the kids they adopted.

It is purely censorship to remove those posts.

I don't mock the point at all :conf: I don't doubt that it may happen sometimes...

I just think that random discussions about paedophilia have no place in a thread about gay adoption. As I said I have now asked others to look over the thread, if they disagree and think it is natural to link gay adoption with paedophilia, the posts will be reinstated.

It happens a lot as my censored links demonstrated.

Fine. I can live with that

As I said I have asked this to be looked over anyway.

Anyone who has been through or even looked into adoption will know what a long and intrusive procedure it is. It is not that easy to be approved, you have to go through all manner of checks, panels, interviews, probing and quite insulting at times questioning. Your whole life becomes transparent and looked into....anyone who goes through this process and are approved (same sex, couples or single people) have to prove, prove and double prove that they are completely committed so the child placed will have a balanced, secure and loving home. Plus, I would bet my life that all same sex couple or single parents have close friends and family members of the opposite sex who will each play their part in the upbringing of a child.

In short, anyone who goes through the process regardless or race, gender or sexual orientation deserves some respect IMO and are equally capable of raising a loved, wanted and balanced child

A thread about winstons views that gay adoption is child abuse, not just gay adoption.

Well I will nail my colours to the mast. I agree with Winston. I think a child has the right to have a mother. Just my opinion. And nobody has the right to tell me I am not entitled to it.

I thought Winston handled himself impeccably.

You may agree with that but how can you agree with it being likened to child abuse? Children are genuinely abused every day. It's mocking real child abuse to think that having gay parents is child abuse.

Well you did say "this is the level of intellect"

But i accept your decision, and thank you for looking into it.

Not sure if this will show big enough to read..but its the best I can do. If the posts are re-instated, fair enough. I have asked for someone else to look at it anyway...

I am done here...can't believe theres a kickoff about this tbh. I honestly thought it would be understood why that link was deemed offensive and inflammatory :shrug:

Is this somehow meant to be reasoning as to why same sex couples can't provide as good an upbringing as a straight couple? I don't get it.

The gross insinuation in this thread that gay people shouldn't be allowed to adopt because they might secretly be paedophiles... it just amazes me that some people's minds work like that. I actually feel really sorry for anyone who thinks like that. AnnieK made a great point about the adoption procedure. I happen to know a single gay man who has adopted a child and they dug into every aspect of his life and his past, and not only his but his family's and those close to him. This whole discussion is crazy tbh.

I am amazed that they let paedos adopt babies

whether the babies are gay or not


what is the world coming to?

No mate its about paedophiles being devious bastards who will, and have used gay adoption as a loophole to abuse..its the system that needs looked into to ensure that it is impossible for them to do it, because so far some have managed to fool the authorities. Of course gay couples should be allowed adopt its crazy to suggest otherwise.

I would like to see the questioning, i mean is it as simple as are you a paedophile?

It was a direct reply to this post by Kizzy -
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Originally Posted by Kizzy View Post
"No, individuals have their strengths and weaknesses, collectively genders are neither weak nor strong."

My point being that men and women both have different strengths.It's nice to think that each gender can be as good at everything and sex plays no role.However it is innacurate.For instance boys have a shorter attention span when learning.They thrive more with shorter lesson times wheras girls are fine with longer or shorter classes.The genders are different no matter whether we want them to be or not.
Women can provide a certain emotional support to children that men generally don't.Kids respond differently to women than men.There are certain things a kid might feel more comfortable telling their mum or dad.

But that isn't the issue. The issue is that Winston thinks same sex adoption is akin to child abuse. How is it abuse when the couple have to go through a harrowing selection process in order to give a child a loving home?

I think depriving a child of a mother is abusive.

A child needs a Mother and a Father, totally agree

Oh noes. We will have Emma Willis telling us off like naughty children now! We are pariahs.:laugh:

Winston's opinion is probably shared by at least half the country. hence why he got more votes than nancy and they had to fix it. It isn't an unreasonable opinion whatsoever.

The way he was being treated you would have thought he had said Jimmy Savile was a misunderstood good guy.

Same:thumbs:

A child don't need a mother and father, a child needs parent(s) yes but it can be two fathers/two mothers/only a father/only a mother/mother and father..why do they need a father and mother? A child would be loved just as much with anyone tbh.

Not in my life it can't ,A child needs a Mother and a Father

But, as shown last night that harrowing selection process doesnt always work.

Children have had mothers and fathers since humans evolved. It is the natural way of the world.

The leftist media want to destroy the family unit and heroes like Winston resist it.

Love is only a part of bringing up a child.It is a whole lot more complicated than just showing them love.Only having one gender to look up to and learn from gives them a very one sided view of the world and does'nt give them the emotional balance that a mother and father give them.There is no replacement for a mother and father,Just less ideal substitutes.

How do you equate that to child rearing?

I don't,I equate it directly to your point
"Quote:
Originally Posted by Kizzy View Post
No, individuals have their strengths and weaknesses, collectively genders are neither weak nor strong."

Again that is a socialisation issue, I just don't subscribe to the whole men are from mars women are from venus ethos.

You have taken that comment far too literally :laugh:

Not this could make a decent serious debates thread..the does a child need two parents thing. and why. Personally I don't think they do, plenty of people I know have been brought up just fine with single parents (mums and dads alike). I do not know anyone who has gay parents but I assume its the same for them.

Great post Annie :)

It is the same principal in all walks of life.Strengths and weaknesses.

Its an interesting subject for sure, and just to provide a little abstraction. There have been plenty animals in the wild that have been adopted and reared by other parents, be they animal or human with quite spectacular results.

It doesn't always work with opposite sex couples either. They can abuse children too. Nothings perfect. The point is they try to match a child with parents he/she will thrive with and be loved by, they just don't give them away nilly willy. I doubt very much that many paedophiles would pretend to be gay and go through that whole lengthy process to get a child to abuse. Just because it's happened a few times doesn't mean it's worth discussing. It's not because it's not an issue that is at all prevalent.

Well, as my father left my mother when I was just a few weeks old, I can categorically state that despite growing up fatherless, I'm very well balanced, thank you very much. :tongue:

No it isn't just in Vicky's eyes.

Having read through the thread including the deleted comments I agree that the debate had turned offensive and inflammatory, others were also offended by it going by the reports.

A child being brought up by a single parent doesn't mean anything, I know loads who have brought up by a single parent and they have the same view as people who have two parents.