Still don't really get how Kristinas 'fear' of Tiffany and apparent ease with Megan means she is racist rather than Megan just not realistically being a threat to anyone :shrug:

Until one of the other less pathetic women kicks off and we see Kristinas reaction to that...we can't really judge.

not saying she is racist for sure, just asking a question and others peoples views on it.. like most people are asking why the housemates were fearing for their life over Tiffany when her reaction wasn't that bad like Tiffany was harmless. But when Megan flipped which was not even funny and worse than Tiffany's.. she was out of control anything could have happened and was more intimating with her behaviour no one said anything... like people are going to question that. I do feel Kristina and others were stereotyping.

I think there was a lot of heavily coded language and buzzwords like how Tiffany is HARMFUL and UNSAFE when the edit didn't really justify that, and that kinda hints at some racial undertones to me.

Of course it is possible..I do think its odd quite how much of a dislike Kristina has taken to Tiffany. I just think that maybe, instead of automatically thinking its about race...other factors should be considered too. Like (as I have stated a few times in this thread) how non-threatening and pathetic Megan is even mid rant.

what a load of tosh:joker:

Another perceived racism threat. Maybe, for safety's sake, the black people should stay away from the white people, just in case they say something that someone (usually a white person) thinks is racist.

New dictionary definitions

HARMFUL = BLACK

UNSAFE = BLACK

:joker:

All I'm saying is that Megan was the one frothing at the mouth and actually demonstrating "harmful" or "unsafe" behavior but all we heard was that it's Tiffany who has to go.

different times and different circumstances

Kristina is getting fat, there's no way she will ever dance again she will squash her partner.

:umm2:

she is pregnant

are you aware what that means?

:umm2:

how racist of you Livia. I'm offended

Because of the racial stereotype that black people will be more of any negative characteristic such as violent. A stereotype that has been attributed to Tiffany. Even though drunken P!$e heads like Megan cause untold criminal damage in the UK every night.

Megan's rage is considered impotent amusing benign. Whereas Kristina adopted an attitude of caution and fear for Tiffany because she's taken on this negative stereotype.

Why does it always have to be about race though...

Like I said either in this thread or another similar one...I would find Megans rage hilarious and would in no way feel even slightly threatened as she is a pathetic tiny beetroot face on a drunken rampage. Where if Tiffanys rage was directed at me, I would feel less easy about it.

Not because of race either, as I would feel the same with Gemma or Daniella, and a couple of others. Nothing to do with stereotypes..just some people are more...scary than others in general :laugh: That may not be the right choice of words, but I'm sure people will understand what I mean by it

Again, I'm not saying kristina is NOT racist, just that to jump to the conclusion that she is for this reason is a bit silly to me...

Tiffany rage wasn't scary/intimidating in any way, it was normal, so i don't really understand why anyone would fear her over that, like making out she's some dangerous psycho that's going to harm someone.. TIffany was harmless and gets told to leave and got isolated.. sorry that's comes across over the top and overreacting over something so small.. but when someone who was acting like a psycho and anything could have happened because she was out of control, gets a different treatment.

And I'm not even accusing her of being racist... just asking a question seeing other peoples views on it.. it's not a silly question at all, many people would wonder the same thing. It's not about disliking/hating someone,, it's about treating people differently to another.

Which was disgusting indeed. However to describe her as harmless...I don't really get it

During that whole David thing it did seem at one point like she was going to hit Angie. It may have looked like that because Steph grabbed hold of her which drew attention to Tiffany storming in and made it look like something it wasn't (to Angie too..as she flinched/cowered)...but she actually did come across rather aggressive at random points. Though not (from what we saw) towards Kristina.

On the other hand we have drunken Megan ranting and raving on. Yes, acting aggressively but again...I really do not understand how anyone could feel threatened by her. Kristina also was not there for a lot of the worst of Megan's performance.

The hatred Kristina appears to feel for Tiffany could well be because she is racist. I don't think her finding Tiffany intimidating while she is kicking off, while not being scared of Megan, is an example of this though. However, if one of the other women (bar Steph...who is also pathetic) kicks off in the same was Tiffany did, and Kristina does not go OTT terrified again, then yeah, I would agree that it is likely to be racism.

I know you were just asking a question. Its the ones in here that have it down as certain racism and have been listing all different sterotypes (some I have never heard of) that I really don't understand :tongue:

It's 100% a fair question to ask, and everyone is entitle to give their views on the matter. The problem I have, and this isn't directed at you, but some people seem to look at the situation and see that someone has taken an approach to a particular person and we don't necessarily understand that approach. So rather than give them the credit for having logical reasons for taking that approach, they seem to think 'oh i can't think of any reason why someone would react like this, they must be racist' etc.

don't question these points Vicky. you will be called a bigot. :(

Going by this flawed and ridiculous logic. If you dislike or don't agree with ANY black person you are deemed a racist.

I don't like Tiffany, does that make me a racist then???

well if you bother to read anything you would know it's not about disliking Tiffany..i said that 6000 times now :)

What is it about then? I'm not scrolling through pages of PC BS.

PC brigade gone mad ~~~

Kristina the low-key racist.

It depends on why you don't like her.

Because she's an abhorrent person.

Kristina hasn't once said "I hate Tiffany because she is black" so this accusation is ridiculous.

I'm glad you're imaginative enough to envision a form of racism other than literally condemning someone for their skin color.

Really, you think unless something is blatant and contains no subtlety it doesn't exist?

Of course not. But what cumulative evidence suggests Kristina is racist?

How do you distinguish Kristina doesn't like Tiffany because of her race compared to not liking her because shes a horrible person?

It's a ridiculous accusation to make based on very selectively edited footage shown for an hour a day.

Just because she doesn't like someone who happens to be black DOESN'T make her racist:shrug:

Lads, ease it up on the 'racism' cries it's like the boy who cried wolf.

She's not even British surely she understands racism. Don't think we've seen any hint of racism from her at all? She even tried to understand Winston (even though she didn't) and didn't tear into him when given the chance!

looks like someone didn't read the op... it's not about disliking someone.. How many times do i have to say that..... jesus

So? Maybe she has a closer relationship with Megan and feels safer despite her outburst? Maybe she has witnessed other violent outbursts from Tiffany than makes her feel uneasy?

It has nothing to do with race. Clutching at straws.

..I don't think that Kristina's racist, no...I guess it's hard to say why in some cases, we might find something intimidating/potentially threatening even..?..and then with something else similar, we may not feel the same 'threat' as it were...these are often sub-conscious things that we don't find reason for ....she's pregnant though and there is a natural and also sub-conscious instinct to 'protect' from a pregnant lady so maybe that has a lot to do with it as well...if she herself (for whatever reason..)..had felt any possibility of physical threat at all, she would naturally have an instinct to protect her child and want that threat to be removed..?...I don't know, I'm in no way someone who knows about these psychologies but when Kristina perceived Tiffany as potentially being 'threatening' to Angie, someone who is seen as a 'vulnerable' because she's older, maybe an association trigged in her child being a vulnerable and feeling a threat there..?..I know that any of us who are mothers, know that we protect our 'bump' from the moment we know that we're pregnant...but no, I don't think racism at all personally....

:laugh: Now do not further confuse an already manic thread with your wickedness.

You got it in 1 there lad !!

Is there anyone left in the house that isn't a racist?

Tiffany :joker:

I think her behavior is suspect to say the least.