That sounds scarily similar to the Rape case and how the Police responded to the other Police station who had gotten a confession from Gregory Allen :/

I know :/

Yeah, I fully believe that the police involved in the blatant shenanigans do truly believe that Avery is the killer, and that by making sure he went away that they were doing the right thing by breaking rules to make sure it happened.

They're not evil or trying consciously to put an innocent man away or let a real killer remain free... They're just none too bright, and got sucked into a ridiculous situation because someone else (the killer) got the ball rolling by planting some evidence on an easy target.

Its definitely how I would try to get away with murder :shrug:. Find a creepy guy with a questionable past, someone that people will WANT to believe is guilty, and make sure the spotlight falls on him.

Not that I do much killing... .... ...

OR what if someone in the sheriffs department just really loves cats?

WHAT IF IT'S ALL ABOUT THE CAT?? :omgno:

What are your thoughts on that theory about the serial killer Edward Wayne Edwards having done it? Apparently he did alot of his murders on Halloween which was when Teresa was murdered, he framed other people alot of times and he lived only an hour or so away oh and plus I think he was spotted one time at Steve Averys trial

:laugh:

I do think it's a fascinating and well made documentary and I like that its purpose was just to show how flawed the justice system can be, rather than trying to prove Steve's innocence as such - I hope they properly reopen the case and get people who don't have an agenda in to examine the evidence because it's clear that some serious ****ery was going on there to make sure he went away and that that lawsuit never materialised...

That theory has been debunked Nimah, I read that on the avery families fb this morning

Oh has it? So hard to follow things like this online and knew what is and isn't true

For anyone that likes to read...

Links to the online transcripts of the court cases etc..

Dassey transcripts and interrogations

http://stevenaveryproject.com/dassey-files/

Avery transcripts and interrogations

http://stevenaveryproject.com/avery-...l-transcripts/

Under the Avery Transcripts it has 50 or so official crime scene photos.

I've read the Dassey files, and listened to some of the interrogations, haven't even attempted the avery court case files yet, theres lots :/

Oh I'm going to give those a look Josy, thanks.

Whatever happened though, even if Steven did do it, I definitely don't believe that it happened in his Trailer or in the Garage where the bullet was found. There's no way he could have left either of those places without a hair/finger print/blood splatter etc if he'd killed and possibly raped her there, no way in the world.

..I will get around to all of the links at some point, thanks Josy/Niamh..:love:...I've just watched the first court appearance of Scott Tadychs and yeah, his and Bobby's times are both off with each other and the bus driver's I would assume is correct, which would mean as Bobby was so sure of his time of leaving, he couldn't have even seen Teresa take the pics and apparently then walk toward Avery's van....

..yeah that's it as well, that even up to now, no one had found blood evidence anywhere of her being killed...

I started reading the Brendan Interviews and I can't help imitating his voice in my head as i read them :laugh:

..OMG, I often have voices in my head when I'm reading things..(not dodgy voices..)...but different 'head' voices for different people ..I think it's because I read out loud so often and always have the voices and expressions of story characters/so it's a habit thing...

..I think in the end with the closing statements, the prosecuting attorney started to make me doubt his innocence and that all of the police planting of evidence was because they didn't want him to go free and had to get the guilty verdict, whatever it took...it's hard to understand why no one else was investigated from either Steven's family or Teresa's...


..also sad to see how much his parents aged through it all, especially his dad whose breathing didn't sound good at all in times when he was speaking...

Is your head voice for me sexy and manly, Ammi? A lustrous Scottish treat for the mind-ears? You know it...

If I'm extremely honest the interview between Teresa's brother and boyfriend was extremely shifty imo.

I'm sort of interested but at the same time I don't like Steven Avery.

I don't think avery is a likable character but then, that's sort of the point... He wouldn't be in this situation if he was. It's easy to pin something bad on someone unlikeable.

I can't force myself to care about the fate of Avery himself. However, I am interested in the way the justice system works in America and the way it's all been handled is fascinating. At times the prosecution straight up lies to the jury and it goes mostly unchecked.

Example: stating that they have "scientifically proven" that the blood wasn't planted, when an expert has already explained that this is impossible to prove. The test they used can be used to prove that it WAS planted, by presence of a certain chemical substance. The absence of that substance does NOT mean that it wasn't planted. It's a straight up lie, a misrepresentation of the evidence. How are things like that being allowed?

..(that was probably one of those things that I shouldn't have said out loud..:laugh:..)..I think you probably range somewhere between Sean Connery and weee Jimmy Krankie....(more Mr Connery though, definitely..)...

..I think it's like that 'pack' thing in a way, obviously a much complicated version but a basic principle..?..of how people will stand up and defend a 'popular and likeable' but not so much with an 'unlikeable'..but then interesting though that the jury were (7 was it..?..) not guilty at the beginning, 2 undecided and just 3 guilty, so very much in his favour and then obviously a guilty was reached...(do we wonder if there was influence on the jury as well/I don't know..)...I think at the end of the trial, I started to think that the police genuinely did think he was guilty, which was their motivation ..they just couldn't leave him out there, a free man...but then, this little 'hick-billy' person that he was had taken the trust, confidence and faith of the citizens of the town away from the police department with the first conviction and wrongful imprisonment, so was it just a pride thing and something they became obsessed with...either way, it's still hard to get my head around the fact that they didn't even attempt to explore any other possibility in their total focus and that no one else was ever a suspect....

Another thing that really bugs me: when the judge is summing up at the sentencing hearing... He talks about Avery's "past crimes", and the fact that his crimes have been of "increasing severity" and that's why he's so dangerous.

He is quite clearly not talking about the cat incident. He is talking about the attempted rape. A crime that, legally, and conclusively, was not committed by Avery. Very, very odd. Is the judge suggesting that he WAS involved? Has he simply forgotten that that conviction was overturned? That someone else is in prison for it?

So I just read that Steven Averys ex wife and mother of his children went on to marry Peter Dassey, Brendans dad......wtaf, this just gets weirder and weirder :laugh:

Mathiesen went on to marry Peter Dassey. Now, if that name sounds familiar to you, it should. Peter Dassey is the father of Brendan Dassey, Steven Avery's nephew who was charged as a co-conspirator in the murder of Teresa Halbach after a confession, which he recanted later.


https://www.romper.com/p/what-happen...-murderer-3018

The more I read about Steve Avery, the more I dislike him actually

Made me think of this... :laugh:

Weird that his ex-wife married Brendan's dad... very strange family. My mum and her sister used to be married to a pair of brothers, meaning my older brother and my cousin are like... super related. Hahaha. Reminds me of that, all this inter-family stuff that's going on here. I don't really like Steve Avery very much but as Toy Soldier says, that's the point.

:laugh:

Poor Brendan

He is the human personification of Chris Griffin, even their voices are similar:

Oh I have to wait till lunchtime to listen to that :laugh:

Another thing that's been playing on my mind alot about this case is that vial of blood. Is there any possible logical explanation for the fact that it had that needle hole in it? Is there any reason for that? But if that blood was planted, why would the person who took it stick a needle through it? Why not just open it and then seal it back up? :think:

Good point, they'd surely have known putting a needle through it would be incriminating if anyone found it... when I was watching the program I just assumed it was so they could get the blood straight into a syringe and then use that to squirt it over the car in the manner that we're shown with only a couple of areas of blood, looked consistent with somebody squirting it at points in the car rather than how it would have happened coming directly from a human body...

Yeah but they could have put it in a syringe by opening the top as well and that wouldn't have looked half as suspicious or maybe they it was faster and easier and they just never thought anyone would go check that vial?

A nurse testified that that was how the blood got in there and that she was actually the one that dealt with that exact sample. Shes dead now though.

There was a show on ID about this last night and Stevens old lawyer Jerome Buting was talking about that sample saying the hole on the top wasn't what bothered him but there's blood spilled all round the edge of the actual stopper and that's what was making him suspicious.

Also creepy Kratz was talking through the show last night too and something he said caught my attention, something along the lines of..we had all this evidence but there was one thing we needed and that was an eye witness.

Well then along comes Brendan eh :think:

Of all the stuff I'm reading everything that comes from Kratz I almost always just disregard, the creepy slimeball

They put the blood into the vial originally through that hole?

Yeah that's what she said

hhhmmm seems like a weird way to do it but then maybe that's standard? I don't know

Josy what do you think about the fact that Michael Griesbach is so sure that Steve Avery did it. He was one of the ones firmly on his side about the Rape conviction

Not sure really but with him being a DA in Manitowoc I don't really feel like I can judge his opinion on it :laugh:

He's wrote a book about it all too.

Yeah i know he's a DA with Manitowoc but he was still on Steves side during that rape case, even in the Documentary plus he's part of the Innocence Project too and by the sounds of it he think Brendan Dasseys rights were violated during his case but he's pretty sure that Steve Avery is rightly convicted