Don't make points if you don't want somebody to respond to them.

I was too. I answered the question you asked btw on page 3.

Get you!

Fair points Jaxie, especially about checks as to who is entering

So some foreign news agency gets a couple of reports and the headline is racism on the rise]

what a load of fckg bollocks

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People need to travel around the world a bit first and then judge the uk as racist


jesus wept

Racism is racism, a racist in the UK aren't any less of a racist just because it's worse somewhere else. Bringing other countries into it to make it seem less of a problem here is a foolish move.

A problem is still a problem and the increase in racism is something that must be dealt with.

Well then you must deal with it by voting remain. Oh wait...most remainers didn't even bother to vote.

Ok then, its discrimination against a slavic ethnic nation. Its still hatred against a type.

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Exactly, everyone should be condemning this, racism is deplorable no matter who it is used against.

The elite who ignored the wishes of their people when they brought in hundreds of thousands of "Syrians" (actually people from different countries) are most to blame for any perceived rise in racism. They and no one else. And actually all of the anger should be directed at the elite instead of the refugees. Europe needs to get them all out of office even if that means replacing them with nationalist parties. Just get rid of them. Get rid of all of them. And do it now because the clock is ticking on whether you can reverse this or at least contain it. And btw, Donald Trump is right when he used the poem "the vicious snake".

No, racists are to blame for their own racism. Nobody is telling them to be racist, they're doing that all by themselves. There's plenty of people who were unhappy with how Germany handled the Immigration crisis without being racist.

Completely sick of people trying to explain away and justify racism.

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Tell me something Dezzy (this is a yes or no question): Is it necessarily racist for someone who has lived in Europe their whole lives to want all of the migrants who came there through illegal means to go back to where they came from?

Yes.

Befuddled that you think this is a tough question :joker:

Ten points to slythetin though, for prompting me to use the word "befuddled" for the first time ever in a real sentence. :hee:

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That's not what you said, sweetheart.

You said that the 'elites' are to blame for a rise in racism therefore completely vindicating the actual racists for their actions. Not everyone who wants tighter immigration controls are racist but the ones that screech 'Go back to _____' at strangers in the street are.

Honestly, I'm getting real bored of bigots jumping through hoops to justify their own bigotry and the bigotry of others. You are responsible for your own actions and thoughts, you can't blame that **** on anyone else.

Well it seems acceptable to be against 'those immigrants' now doesn't it really...given the huge support for Farage and cos campaign which rested largely on immigration factors.

I am not accusing everyone who voted out of being racist btw, but a LOT of people voted on immigration only. When leave won my facebook feed erupted into a disgusting show of racism...I am about 40 'friends' down tbh as I don't want to see that ****.

Vicky :worship:

Queen.

Yes, voicing these kinds of views seems a lot more common over these past couple of days. Its sad really. The views were obviously there to begin with, but now they feel validated in actually sharing them

(Again, I realised my post came across wrong before, immigration being the reason for the out vote isn't necessarily racist. But those saying things like this, are)

I agree with Ammi, the racism was always there, its just in these bigots minds, they've seen the leave vote as some sort of vindication of their racism. So they've become more vocal and dangerous.

Same and the argument I'm currently having on Facebook is going to result in another one.

Thing is, half say the 'foreigners are coming here and stealing our jobs'

Other half say 'foreigners are coming here to steal our benefits and they don't want to work'

It simply cannot be both. This kinda shows a lot of peoples prejudice towards immigrants, they literally can't do right for doing wrong. And I know coming across people with views like this is very common. And I think (again) at least 40-50% of the leave vote was because of this too.

Really? Or are the reports simply the sort of thing that goes on every day from the relatively small number of bigoted pigs who actually live in this country.

Yeah these sorts of incidents happen every day so are obviously going to be magnified post-Brexit. Just depressing how many people thought voting Leave would mean the arab immigrants would go :laugh: Haven't seen too many examples of EU country migrants being attacked... although my hometown has a strong Polish population and there's a definite sense of "please go home" from some...

IMO yes, it is because of the vote.

Newcastle apparently had some kind of 'kick em all out' type rally thing today too :suspect:

Racism will be more common now, or seem it. A lot of people are racist deep down but know better than to actually voice this. but now, I can't see those people holding back as sadly they think the out vote means their views are shared by half of the country...which I don't think (and hope isn't) true.

And the illegals..apparently. Which is a bit daft, as if illegals are caught they are deported anyway (or I think they are...being...illegal?) so this again will make no difference to the amount of those we actually have either.

Of course those views aren't held by half the country. I very much doubt they are views held by many leaver voters, or remain voters come to that. Though unfortunately leave have all been branded raging racists.

I agree with this

Racist scum will never change. Luckily I live in an area where there isn't much racism/xenophobia but I feel for immigrants who do

That's not really true though, is it, and that sort of hyperbole is hardly helpful.

It's very likely that a significant portion of leave voters were fuelled by casual racism but no one is saying "all" or even "most" or "half". Just a significant portion.

For 50 years, the people here where never given any say on how high the immigration numbers would be at, and to mps who want it at high numbers , only threw this problem to areas that people said no, high immigration kills integration, and today in towns, cities, and even on housing estates, no-go-area's are there, its not just here in britain, but in western europe its a big problem, in germany school girls who where attacked by refugees, where told by the police, too not say anything to the media, this is striaght out of the rotherham book, and merkel knew of the dangers, but stuck two fingers at her voters, when thatcher in 79 said that people fear that we are being swamped by people of a different culture or race, what she said was, listen and take note, nigel farage is doing the same thing, in working class area's, because both parties don't care, or listen to the problems that causes a racial divide, the brexit vote had many reasons, but some in the remain camp, want another vote because they think that having no borders, and not being a nation makes everything better,

but the free movement rules from the EU have only been in effect a relatively short time. For 40 years governments were in charge of immigration levels and people were still moaning about them then

You've just insinuated it yourself.

Well said Vicky and you are one of many I'd say that found that.

Stating that a significant proportion, specifically far less than half, have those tendencies - in other words stating definitively that more than half are NOT racist, is insinuating that "all" ARE racist? Logic has failed here.

Isn't it crackers these people who insist they are not influenced by the right wing media.....a year or so ago on this very forum it was insisted 'we need Eastern Europeans as they do the jobs people here won't do!' Now it's flipped 180 and suddenly we don't want immigrunts again.