Andy thinks because the public didn't evict him, he's been vindicated.

I get ya! :)

It's just a moral highground that's always taken with embarrassing consequences. Every time someone says "I don't like talking about other people behind their backs", they are seen doing so within a week. And coupled with his general lack of effort to get to know anyone, and his disregard for their supposed inferior intellect, it smacks of pointless condescension.

You see arrogance, I see introversion and a stiff dignity in being isolated, misunderstood and targeted.
I don't see rude as a characteristic at all. He's better mannered than most of them in there by far.

Sorry, I genuinely don't recall that. Could you remind me?

Thanks, I remember that, but Sam was blatantly lying because Andy heard him talking behind Hughies back. We all did! So what point was there in continuing? Andy could have called him a liar, he could have repeated what Sam said and embarrassed him, he could have hollered and made a scene, but he didn't, he chose to remove himself from the situation before he was tempted to do any of those things. I'm sure he was already feeling the pressure at having Laytesha screeching and going ballistic at him.
I'm sure he didn't do it to be deliberately rude Sassy. It's all in the context. Compared to most of them, he's a real gent.

Since when did this show become Battle of the Geniuses? It's a personality contest. Andy can have all the degrees in the world, but all the book knowledge in the world can't fix a ****ty attitude/personality.

He's winning after that engagement. People love him

This...

...some great posts Sassy..:love:...and really similar to where my thoughts are with Andy as well..I don't dislike him, I find him very interesting but I guess, what some are seeing as 'strengths'..?...I'm seeing as his very weaknesses and his flaws, as it were... Ultimately the aim should be to resolve something, otherwise what's the point? ...these words Sassy really say it beautifully...it's so brought into play about his apparent intelligence etc and his 'composure'...great traits to have, eh...?....but only if they bring positives both for him and for those around him../in his environment and on the whole, they're not...they are contributing to negative behaviour in others..because they're making others feel inferior and that could never be a good thing or ever bring a calming influence to the house..so for me, his communication is extremely poor...also because maybe he isn't that 'pompous/arrogant' person at all...he's just someone who is acting and re-acting in a way that has become something that his past and his environment and his life have 'advantaged' him in ...which is natural..but then he's coming across as being judgemental of others for the exact same thing....Hughie's a traveller, I believe..?...so I doubt that his environment has been about all sitting around the table and 'calmly resolving', either with family or peers etc....he's a product of his environment is he not..?...the same with Latisha and, ya know...people around her/in her life...the swearing etc and the shouting sometimes and it's just her, what she knows..?...why should they be judged for those things because they haven't had the advantages or influences that others may have had..?...and they have great and admirable qualities too...Lateysha has been a very caring/maternal and supportive presence in the house...Hughie may blow up and blow off in his anger but he does calm quite quickly and often apologises...that's a 'control' that he's learned in the same way as Andy has learned certain controls in his behaviour....we could see with Marco, how his 'spoilt' came into play in the house because of his privileges in life when he behaved grimly and said stuff like...'I have shoes worth more than you'...(or something similar..)...because (I believe..)...'a product of his life and his privileges..'..?...it's what we all are isn't it..and no different for Lateysha, Hughie or anyone else in the house with their typical behaviour patterns...so if Andy really was using his apparent intelligence, then he wouldn't be making them..and I mean any of them feel in some way inferior or less-educated..?...he would be making them feel their worth which for any human being is substantial....



..anyways, I loved him last night because he showed his vulnerabilities and an Andy that we haven't seen because he's 'controlled' that Andy...which I think has been a weakness, not a strength...Jet my man..just think about it and all of the things that you admire about him..?..if you were in the house also, you would probably hang out all day with Andy because of those things, would you not..?../find him a good person to be around..?...and I can understand that...but ONLY, ONLY if he was making you feel 'on a level' as it were...if he made you feel about this small, about this inadequate, about this dumb and etc etc..(points to something very small..)...you really wouldn't be seeing it quite the same because no one likes that feeling, baby...like Sassy, I do quite like him and find him intriguing....but for me, only because I do see his weaknesses and how poorly he's communicating himself because it's a fact that he's making some feel a bit 'inferior' for being who they are and who they can't help being....he's coming across as judging them for their breaks in life and things that they haven't had any control over....

..that was a short post as well because I have work...

Love Andy :lovedup:

..you know as well Jet that I'm going to get a bit defensive because my work is more with the 'Hughie's' whose abilities of 'control' and 'expression' are not what the 'Andy's' have had through no fault of their own... but who I can see have really achieved and are achieving something amazing in how they compose themselves and what they have and do seem to be learning...

I suppose knowing someone for 2 weeks gives you the right to meddle in their personal affairs by repeating idle titty tattle.:shrug:

I found it interesting last night when Georgina on BOTS was asked who she wanted evicted next, and she said Chelsea. Her reasons were that he was always repeating in Jason's ear what Charlie said about him and then repeating to Charlie what Jason said about her.
Did we see any of this on the HL shows? No. Did any of the HM's target or nominate him for this like they did with Andy? No. Jason is supposed to be Chelsea's friend just like Andy is. Andy was being loyal to his friend yet he's the one treated like he murdered someone. Unbelievable.

I too loved seeing the vulnerable side of Andy, and it isn't the first time. Remember how he broke down after hearing how hurtful some of the nominations were? I think we would have seen that side more (and a funny side too because I think we would see a great sense of humour if he 'let go' in there) if he hadn't been targeted from the start as being 'superior'. As you know, academic intelligence doesn't always equate to emotional intelligence and I think some others in the house might well be more emotionally intelligent than he is. So is that his fault any more than it is theirs that he is better educated etc?
Yes, I would most definitely hang out with him, probably more than any of them. I don't think he deliberately tries to make others look small and I think that aspect of him is blown way, way out of proportion. You see one thing then you look for it in everything that person does and suddenly that person becomes the 'thing'.
And we are all judgemental, to a certain degree. Just look around at our posts, just because we can do it in the safety of a forum and not directly so nobody can shun us for being judgemental...and Andy is being judged for being judgemental. :hee:
I see someone with a good heart whose way of dealing with things that bother him is the right way in his own mind (and I quite like the oddity and individualism of it!) :hee: but he is learning too - he listened to Jayne very quietly and told her he would take her advice on board - I don't think he was ever being malicious and most can see that because he is rather well liked by many, isn't he?

Chelsea will get more noms than Andy today.

Ammi :clap1:

Andy's 'breakdown' at the nominations were his own fault - if he doesn't like being called a snake don't crawl around the house stirring all day.

He is a proven liar, he lied to Jason's face about the discussion over his daughter - Charlie never even said anything she just confirmed what Jason had told Jayne and Andy twisted it so he would look like the noble white knight.

Because Andy was caught out twice :laugh:

The housemates are just now cottoning on to Chelsea being jus as bad.

Wrong. This was when Georgina was in the house, not 'just now'.
And if they were just cottoning on to it why haven't they even mentioned Jason and Charlie? All they said was he was going around saying 'i like you' etc.
They haven't gone haywire on him either like they did with Andy (but then Chelsea isn't such an easy target to pick on, is he? The cowards. Lietaysha can spout off to her little cronies to try and get him nominated, but she hasn't the guts to tackle him.

But she didnt just confirm what Jayne said, she went on saying that she only found out 2 months before the end that he had a daughter. Andy told Jason that. It was not a lie.

Lateysha has had bust ups with both Andy and Chelsea so i'm not following you at all, I think you just see whatever it is that fits the 'Poor Andy' agenda.

Yes the Chelsea being sly has just been spotted the last weekend - Evelyn and Georgina said just before Georgina's eviction he had been telling all four nominees he would miss them most, before that people didn't have a bad word to say about him but after that a few have also spoken up about him doing it.

That's correct. That's nothing about his daughter though, is she seriously not allowed to discuss their previous relationship?

If she had said it maliciously I'd get him telling Jason but all she said was the truth, Andy could have left it or told him the context instead of flat out lying that Charlie was discussing his daughter when she wasn't.

Having a row over pancakes and tackling him about being two faced are 2 different things. But then only Andy has the guts to do that.
And I repeat, why did they not go nuts on Chelsea whispering to Jason and Charlie about what they were saying about each other which was happening when Georgina was still in the house yet they jumped on Andy right away for just telling his best friend?

Dead right jet.

However really good highlights in my view for Andy last night and hopefully he now is seen for the more genuine guy he is.

Yes joey, I agree the HLs were great. It was lovely seeing Andy so happy and relaxed. :)

We won't see eye to eye on this at all because you are far too keen to make Andy into a victim and I can't take it seriously at all :laugh:

Andy was caught whispering and resulted in a pretty big bust up. People took note of it. Since we have never seen Chelsea outight caught why would anyone confront him? if anyone could it would be Evelyn or Andy as going by what Georgina said they were the two others who Chelsea used the 'i'll miss you most' line on. Even Jayne has noticed Andy is sneaky ffs. Maybe the likes of Lateysha should clock Chelsea instead of saying what she thinks to others but maybe she is biding her time or doesn't feel the need to try and life coach a full grown man.

But anyway as I said this convo is dead really because Saint Andy can do no wrong can he, he's such a great friend telling his bestie half truths :hee:

"I dont like the ring"


Yeah that marriage is gonna last

:umm2:

Ungrateful prick isn't he LT :fist:

This post has no merit in facts or in reality, unless it is about someone like Lateisha or Hughie.. Those two especially don't let others finish their sentences, interrupts, and shout over.

Are you just pretending not to understand or....WE didn't see it but THEY did and they didn't confront OR nominate him. Do you not find that hypocritical?
Of course Andy can do wrong, he's human, his fans just get defensive whenever other people act like he can do no right. You'd be the same with Laytesha. :hee:

:facepalm:

a real lady would never

:hmph:

But we judge and analyse all the time, not just here, or maybe you don't? :shrug:
Every time the HM's talk about people behind their backs they are judging them in some way and causing friction as well in their own unique ways. Andy is just more honest and forthright about it, and really, you'd think he was doing it every hour of the day when there were only 2 occasions when he did what he seen as right whether anyone agrees it was judgemental or not...it's all overblown. :shrug:
.... And as a reporter he's used to observing and communicating his findings so it could be he's doing what comes naturally and is analysing/assessing/judging because he's bored out of his mind among all the fake tan and fake tantrums and doesn't have a laptop or whatever like we have to pontificate on in a forum. :hee:

I see no reason why she would lie about that and be so specific about it. That's a big stretch.

Yes, I said upthread that academic intelligence and emotional intelligence don't always go hand in hand and he does lack that at times. So we agree on that. :hee:
But take it from me as one who has reporter friends - they NEVER entirely take off their reporter hats. It's my opinion a reporter is born, not made. But it doesn't mean my friends are one - dimensional people looking to catch me out on mistakes I make and point out my failings any more than Andy is. Maybe if they are very bored they might get tetchy and lapse a little..:laugh:

And you know really we know squat about any of them. BB likes to show footage that feeds into a stereotype so very often we see dimensions of a person over - played and other parts of them that might show something else entirely may be fleeting or never see the light of day. Of course we can only comment on what we see. I often wonder if we met the HM's in real life and got to know them would we like and dislike the same people....