Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8792487)

I don't think I want to watch that tbh :/

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8792493)

That ones looks pretty bad for da police but the woman filming it has a very unusual attitude to her dying bf

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8792496)

Well, I guess she was making sure she had some evidence otherwise, no doubt excuses would be made for why it was his fault?

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8792493)

That ones looks pretty bad for da police but the woman filming it has a very unusual attitude to her dying bf

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8792499)

perhaps I guess its hard to second guess the situation as it it is so extreme



Its the price you pay for having armed cops and armed citizens I am afraid

get your shot in first

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8792509)

Protect and Serve becomes Shoot before you're shot

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8792517)

Very difficult in high crime areas not to defend yourself first

when every traffic stop can potentially lead to a perp pulling a gun on you that changes everything

I have every sympathy for the police and the job they do

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8792523)

They should probably stop asking to see peoples Drivers Licenses then if they're that jumpy

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8792533)

I never get why they insist the perps stay in the car unlike in the UK?

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8792521)

The public want perfection from the police but do not lay the blame at the scum crims who keep committing crimes and shooting people

Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 8792559)

They had a back light out on their car.....not exactly the crime of the century :shrug: or worth the title of scum crim

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8792517)

Very difficult in high crime areas not to defend yourself first

when every traffic stop can potentially lead to a perp pulling a gun on you that changes everything

I have every sympathy for the police and the job they do

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 8792608)

And do you also have sympathy for the innocent men who were shot? Do you have sympathy for their families and those who witnessed these executions?

How can you watch those videos and not be sickened?

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8792523)

They should probably stop asking to see peoples Drivers Licenses then if they're that jumpy

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8795400)

"According to The Advocate, a warrant had been issued for Sterling’s arrest in 2015 after he failed to register as a sex offender for charges dating back to 2000. He also spent five years in prison beginning in 2009 for drug-related crimes.!"

SO the cops had every right to be very wary about this man and the fact he was armed

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8795501)

When does "wary" become "shoot him lots just incase"? The police are supposed to stay cool, rational and professional in these situations... That is what they are paid for and - importantly - that is what they signed up to be. We're not talking about a civilian protecting himself or his family... Being a police officer is a job that has certain inherent risks when it comes to doing it properly and those risk are accepted by implication when someone chooses the job. "Yeah I signed up but I'm going to be on the super-safe side and shoot first ask questions later just incase" is not a valid defense here.

Neither is "but he was a bad guy anyway", to be clear. Laying down justice is, as you are so fond of saying, up to a court of law. No one should be advocating judge dredd style trigger happy cops where anything goes so long as the victims are "baddies", it is a terrible idea.

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8795530)

The Dallas incident will just make Law Enforcement Officers more cautious

I feel sorry for all the Police and their families

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8795569)

Of course it will. NM is right when he says it's mainly about fear. These kids join the police and straight away are bombarded with "horror stories" that make them fear for their lives and that sinks in so they start seeing any black face as having the potential to be their own horror story. Make no mistake though; the fact that it is fear based does NOT mean it isn't racism!

So they treat people like a lethal threat from the word go and end up twitchy, shooting first, further alienating groups of people, which leads to more violence, which is used to confirm the horror stories ("see? Didn't I warn you about them?") and so next time, the Cop has even more prejudice and is even more likely to shoot first and fast.

It is a cycle of violence but the professionals HAVE TO be the ones to put an end to it. They can be better trained, they can be better picked in the first place, they can be better prepared to resolve situations without violence whenever possible. It HAS to lie with the cops. You can't try to make the responsibility to end the cycle lie with random civilians who are NOT hired or trained or prepared, it's madness.

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8795605)

I don't know why people entertain LT's BS when he doesn't believe a word he's saying :laugh:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8795713)

Incorrect

Thankfully I can watch a video and realise that it is one view and it may be fictional

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo (Post 8801512)

This poor sista was just talking why the swat team? :rollseyes: https://twitter.com/thereaibanksy/st...89375706099713

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 8799008)

The difference is that they were more likely to be lawful shootings, given how the phrase 'Black Lives Matter' causes certain white people to froth at the mouth in rage how do you think they'd react if a white person was executed by the police in a similar fashion to these killings? There'd be riots.

If what happened to Tamir Rice happened to a white child there'd be calls for blood.

There's an imbalance here, I'm not against lawful killings if there's no other way but considering it feels like there's a new incident like this happening every other week it feels foolish to deny there's a problem. Nothing will change if we bury our heads in the sand but if the american people take a stand against Police Brutality then it benefits everyone.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 8801626)

The only sources that are applicable are sources that support LT's argument.

Originally Posted by Ninastar (Post 8801950)

bringing this from the other thread because the other one is about the police officers




"The difference is that they were more likely to be lawful shootings,"

I don't believe that for a second. To assume that a white officer would just kill someone because they are black is absolutely ridiculous. If you look at all those killed by the police this year, more white people have been killed than black/mexican people combined. Just because we don't have recordings of white people being shot 'for no reason' doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

"given how the phrase 'Black Lives Matter' causes certain white people to froth at the mouth in rage how do you think they'd react if a white person was executed by the police in a similar fashion to these killings? There'd be riots. "

I don't think there would be. Social media tends to be quite biased in the favour of minorities (I'm not saying thats a bad thing) and I don't think that there'd be anywhere near as bad a reaction if a white person was killed 'for no reason'

"If what happened to Tamir Rice happened to a white child there'd be calls for blood. "

I'm not going to talk about this because it opens a new argument which I will probably upset people with.

"There's an imbalance here, I'm not against lawful killings if there's no other way but considering it feels like there's a new incident like this happening every other week it feels foolish to deny there's a problem."

I can understand why you feel this way, I really do. I just don't think this is being reported fairly and whilst I do feel bad for the families, I think that most of the people who have been killed by police could have had it prevented if they had just listened.

I think this woman gets the point across better than me. I know its about Mike Brown but the point still stands (towards the end more so)



"Nothing will change if we bury our heads in the sand but if the american people take a stand against Police Brutality then it benefits everyone."

Again I can totally see why you'd think this, but again I don't think 'police brutality' is any where near as bad as the media makes it out to be. I'm going to pinch Maru's post because she summed it up perfectly and we all know I'm not good with words.

"National media is basically tabloids disguised as real news on TV 24/7. It is 95% entertainment, 4.9% headlines, .1% facts. 100% of the coverage is Donald Trump, BLM, evil law enforcement, dead people, mass shootings and constant coverage of celebrity deaths (like Anna Nicole Smith, who cares ). Donald Trump gets more coverage than the superbowl. A racist self-absorbed prick's opinion is more important than delivering the facts around majorly important issues. Ok.

If you listened to national media all day you would think our society has gone insane, but it's a major distortion of life here that people eat it up because it adds color and meaning to their otherwise mundane lives. Disenfranchised people want other people to blame. Businesses want other parties to be responsible for their failures. The public hear that actual effort won't fix the issues, but getting attention and promoting violence will (by suggesting people will arm themselves or go to the streets)."

This makes me sound like an awful, naive, uneducated person but I'm not, lol. Being a minority myself, I'd hate to see another minority being treated unfairly because of who they are. I just don't think that in most cases the media is talking about is actually what the media tells us.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 8801626)

The only sources that are applicable are sources that support LT's argument.

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo (Post 8802075)

It would be ridiculous if you re not part of a certain demographic or haven't experienced it yourself. But having said that it's not that ridiculous because this has been going on for long time, people are only talking about it more now thanks t the help of social media. When you have tapes like MARK FURHMAN where he admits to targeting black people and planting evidence against them, it's not a far fetched concept that this sort of thing goes on.
Those numbers are debatable, there's different numbers everywhere. But the thing is if continuous unlawful killings happened to whites you can bet your ass the families wouldn't stay quiet, there would be world wide support and generally when things happen to white people new laws or acts are written in. This is why white people favor cops rather than blacks, they mostly have to deal with the police if they deserve it.

''I don't think there would be. Social media tends to be quite biased in the favour of minorities (I'm not saying thats a bad thing) and I don't think that there'd be anywhere near as bad a reaction if a white person was killed 'for no reason' ''

White people have a voice on twitter too. If it happened to them unlawfully on a regular basis we would hear about, simple.

'' I do feel bad for the families, I think that most of the people who have been killed by police could have had it prevented if they had just listened. ''

Eric Garner had his hands up, Alton Sterlin was pinned down, Philando Castille was reaching for his ID, Rodney king was beaten repeatedly by 4 cops as he lay on the ground...

Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 8795605)

I don't know why people entertain LT's BS when he doesn't believe a word he's saying :laugh:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 8802340)

Breath taking stance from a "liberal" :joker: