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Vicky. 02-11-2016 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob! (Post 9040935)
If I'm honest I really don't see the point in deleting posts - what are you trying to protect us from? We're all humans at the end of the day, humans argue, disagree and fight. Sometimes it's nasty but attempting to edit what we're saying because you either don't agree with it or it doesn't coincide with some, in a few cases, red tape type rules is parmount to Orwellian type behaviour imo.
I don't really see it as protecting anyone tbh, unless it is removing bad insults, or racism or something. I see it as keeping threads readable. I swear if you could see some threads with the vast amount of deleted posts restored you would see what I mean. Nearly every SD thread recently descends into petty sniping which has **** all to do with the topic of the tread.

Kizzy 02-11-2016 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Maru (Post 9040934)
You have to keep in mind a lot of the forums I've run or have been to are run by computer gurus and people who ran servers, did web development for a living ... so we used witchcraft sometimes when things weren't going our way :laugh:
Don't we all dear?.... :idc:

Mokka 02-11-2016 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob! (Post 9040935)
If I'm honest I really don't see the point in deleting posts - what are you trying to protect us from? We're all humans at the end of the day, humans argue, disagree and fight. Sometimes it's nasty but attempting to edit what we're saying because you either don't agree with it or it doesn't coincide with some, in a few cases, red tape type rules is parmount to Orwellian type behaviour imo.
:omgno:
Not a big brother reference about mods on a big brother forum :laugh2:

Crimson Dynamo 02-11-2016 04:49 PM
The nights are fair drawing in....

:pipe:

Cherie 02-11-2016 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 9040916)
Ugh, I don't want a notification every time a mod does something, that's so tedious.

:facepalm: I asked that a general comment be put in the thread, Niamh does it a lot and it's very effective

Maru 02-11-2016 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9040936)
Ohhh you meant the member whos post had been removed would get a message? I read this as everytime a message was deleted or a thread moved or whatever everyone would get a message :facepalm:

I always try to leave an edit note if I edit posts. And I tend to favour editing over deletions too. But when faced with a thread with 50 posts that are just bollocks arguments and sniping..much easier to delete in one go, which includes any posts quoting the argument. Which tends to then lead to 'why was my post deleted, I only said X' which starts it all up again thus making the deletions a bit pointless, which is why we delete posts of that nature too.

Having said this, a fair few members prefer their posts to be deleted rather than edited. I have had hell on in PM many times for editing peoples posts :S
A lot of places do it mainly for deletions, though some do it for threads moved (it depends on the volume). We escalated to infractions using the preexisting forum tools when we couldn't correct the behavior and just followed that system accordingly to bans which often incremented if we felt justified... so the worst offender... 2 day ban... became a 2 week ban... to a one month ban... to permaban... multis = instaban, and extend the original ban if the user went back to abusing other users... we tended to leave it alone though if they were just trying to PM a mod.

I much prefer editing and notations too, as it leaves the pertinent information and allows the thread to continue, but it depends on the forum... these days some people take it very sensitively. (see Rob's post)

I think some people feel like it's a black mark that makes them feel "punished"... but really, if it's done courteously and across the board (edits for everyone :fist:).. then it can go very well and makes the moderation team appear active and engaged... but I would poll users before changing.... maybe test this in S&D first since they seem to want to be so involved in moderation innovation. :laugh:

Maru 02-11-2016 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9040954)
:facepalm: I asked that a general comment be put in the thread, Niamh does it a lot and it's very effective
I think this is good for mass deletions that have massively altered the discourse in the thread. Do it after every deletion and the mod team and forum will be a basket cases in a matter of weeks.

Edit: I think sleeping on it is sometimes too if it looks like a questionable endeavor... come back and delete delete delete... sometimes everyone has had their mea culpa... or a chronically insomniac 3am mod will clean it up when it gets particularly nasty. Leaving those threads around can cause issues if there are a lot of thin skins on the board. I'm OK with locked threads in most cases... personally speaking.

Edit2: We actually used to move deleted/edited posts to a hidden forum just in case we needed to bring back a post (with edits) to make clear it was moderated and re-cleared. Something to consider.

Ammi 02-11-2016 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 9040937)
I'm sorry Ammi, but the bit in bold is perfectly true in MY opinion though it may not be in yours.

I really think that you need to stand back and take a more objective view of events just lately Ammi, because CLEARLY some people are being DISMISSIVE of our complaints, and still others are being PERSONALLY CRITICAL of us, and their comments amount to attacking us.

I witnessed another thread yesterday, where decent, honourable, and long-serving members were subjected to a barrage of the most unnaceptable immature abusive comments AND mockery by supporters of the Mod in question.

Opinions on here among a huge number of members are driven more by who they are 'friends with' and which 'Celebrity' they are fans of rather than any objective and dispassionate weighing of facts - in my opinion.

Do you think that ANY ONE of us would 'conjure up' these problems which we have experienced just to make waves, when - as mature, intelligent adults - we KNOW that the ensuing tsunami will DROWN US?

I'm sorry, but I really do not hate anyone on here - my life is too full of REAL living for that to be the case, yet I MUST stand up and be counted for what I KNOW is MY truth, and if that truth casts a friend of yours in an unfavourable light, and if you take umbrage because of it, then there is nothing that I can do.

All I ask in REAL life, is that I am treated the same as the next person by those in authority - not better, not worse, but the same - and it is no different upon here.
..I don't know Kirk...(I'm going to bow out of this for the moment because I need to get something to eat...)...but the wording that you're using 'us' seems to suggest a mindset of 'them and us' and I honestly think that might be contributing as well../that mindset...


..I can't always say that I can be completely objective/no one can/and no one is ever not ironic or hypocritical in behaviour at times either ..I see what everyone sees though and with the infractions/bans/warnings etc the ones I'm aware of...whether they be someone I'm close to or not...?...I also see why they were given and most people who receive them also fully understand and accept the reasons why as well...only the occasional things I would say might cause some confusion as to the situation in Cherie making the thread, which Josy has said she'll look into...

Vicky. 02-11-2016 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Maru (Post 9040961)
I think this is good for mass deletions that have massively altered the discourse in the thread. Do it after every deletion and the mod team and forum will be a basket cases in a matter of weeks.

Edit: I think sleeping on it is sometimes too if it looks like a questionable endeavor... come back and delete delete delete... sometimes everyone has had their mea culpa... or a chronically insomniac 3am mod will clean it up when it gets particularly nasty. Leaving those threads around can cause issues if there are a lot of thin skins on the board. I'm OK with locked threads in most cases... personally speaking.

Edit2: We actually used to move deleted/edited posts to a hidden forum just in case we needed to bring back a post (with edits) to make clear it was moderated and re-cleared. Something to consider.
we used to have to do this with the old forum. With this one nothing gets 'deleted' it just gets hidden and admin and mods can still read and restore them if necessary :)

Maru 02-11-2016 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mokka (Post 9040942)
:omgno:
Not a big brother reference about mods on a big brother forum :laugh2:
:hehe:

Ashley. 02-11-2016 05:49 PM
If your post is deleted without an explanation, ask for an explanation.


:shrug:

Crimson Dynamo 02-11-2016 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Ashley. (Post 9041026)
If your post is deleted without an explanation, ask for an explanation.


:shrug:
How do you monitor what gets deleted?
Do you monitor all your posts and check they are still there?

Ashley. 02-11-2016 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9041030)
How do you monitor what gets deleted?
Do you monitor all your posts and check they are still there?
No. Why would I?

Withano 02-11-2016 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 9040840)
Is a Big Brother forum really being taken this seriously?
Lol, right?!

If your post was deleted, its for a good reason

Crimson Dynamo 02-11-2016 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Ashley. (Post 9041032)
No. Why would I?
So if u don't know it's been deleted how can you ask?

Ashley. 02-11-2016 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9041070)
So if u don't know it's been deleted how can you ask?
Well in that case, why fuss over a comment you're never going to look at again anyway? Plus by the looks of things, Cherie is well in-the-know that some of her comments have been deleted.

Cherie 02-11-2016 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9041060)
Lol, right?!

If your post was deleted, its for a good reason
It's the good reason that needs explaining, if it's not obvious

kirklancaster 02-11-2016 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9041060)
Lol, right?!

If your post was deleted, its for a good reason
:worship:

Oh Lord my God, when I in awesome wonder
Consider all the worlds thy hands have made.
I see the stars, I hear the rolling thunder
Thy power throughout the universe displayed

I have now come to accept that you are no mere mortal.
That you KNOW with DIVINE and INFALLIBLE certitude
EVERYTHING.

I am especially in awe of your ability to KNOW these things to be absolutes without the direct personal experiences of those of us who you contradict.

Fetch The Bolt Cutters 02-11-2016 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 9041095)
:worship:

Oh Lord my God, when I in awesome wonder
Consider all the worlds thy hands have made.
I see the stars, I hear the rolling thunder
Thy power throughout the universe displayed

I have now come to accept that you are no mere mortal.
That you KNOW with DIVINE and INFALLIBLE certitude
EVERYTHING.

I am especially in awe of your ability to KNOW these things to be absolutes without the direct personal experiences of those of us who you contradict.
SHFDCHFGJJGH IM ****ING SCREAMING :joker::joker::joker:

Black Dagger 02-11-2016 07:07 PM
Is this forum ****ing serious. I don't know anymore.

Josy 02-11-2016 07:22 PM
Jeez I'm still catching up from earlier...

Posts that members have been infracted/warned for are generally deleted because it's mostly either baiting insulting or an offensive post, so to leave that posts on the thread afterward just causes further arguments, thread derailment and more reports to come in for the same thing that's been dealt with.

Other posts that are included in arguments are normally also deleted because again if not it causes further trouble and leaves the thread a mess.

Posts like that won't have a reason provided because fir most people it's obvious and tbh we would also never have enough time to message everyone involved to tell them why thier specific comment was removed so for that reason alone I would say no way to the notification suggestions

Kizzy 02-11-2016 07:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 9041095)
:worship:

Oh Lord my God, when I in awesome wonder
Consider all the worlds thy hands have made.
I see the stars, I hear the rolling thunder
Thy power throughout the universe displayed

I have now come to accept that you are no mere mortal.
That you KNOW with DIVINE and INFALLIBLE certitude
EVERYTHING.

I am especially in awe of your ability to KNOW these things to be absolutes without the direct personal experiences of those of us who you contradict.
Hi could someone delete this please? k thanx xx


Jk ( or am I?..... :idc: )

Withano 02-11-2016 07:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 9041095)
:worship:

Oh Lord my God, when I in awesome wonder
Consider all the worlds thy hands have made.
I see the stars, I hear the rolling thunder
Thy power throughout the universe displayed

I have now come to accept that you are no mere mortal.
That you KNOW with DIVINE and INFALLIBLE certitude
EVERYTHING.

I am especially in awe of your ability to KNOW these things to be absolutes without the direct personal experiences of those of us who you contradict.
I just see it one of two ways.. Your post was deemed inapporpriate by somebody with admin powers, either move on with your life or spend a couple hours complaining like its a big deal (its not a big deal, move on with your life)

Cherie 02-11-2016 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Dagger (Post 9041116)
Is this forum ****ing serious. I don't know anymore.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9041171)
I just see it one of two ways.. Your post was deemed inapporpriate by somebody with admin powers, either move on with your life or spend a couple hours complaining like its a big deal (its not a big deal, move on with your life)
If it doesn't bother you maybe you shouldn't spend time out of your lives commenting :shrug:

Withano 02-11-2016 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9041176)
If it doesn't bother you maybe you shouldn't spend time out of your lives commenting :shrug:
It does bother me. It bothers me that you think you deserve this.

Maru 02-11-2016 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Josy (Post 9041150)
Jeez I'm still catching up from earlier...

Posts that members have been infracted/warned for are generally deleted because it's mostly either baiting insulting or an offensive post, so to leave that posts on the thread afterward just causes further arguments, thread derailment and more reports to come in for the same thing that's been dealt with.

Other posts that are included in arguments are normally also deleted because again if not it causes further trouble and leaves the thread a mess.

Posts like that won't have a reason provided because fir most people it's obvious and tbh we would also never have enough time to message everyone involved to tell them why thier specific comment was removed so for that reason alone I would say no way to the notification suggestions
No, that makes sense. For notifications, I was thinking more in the case for single deletions... like when a user posts something very baiting and needs to be removed. Maybe a single post and a reminder to stay within the rules for the general thread for mega deletions... (and a lock if necessary).

It's hard to stay on top of unless you have enough mods. S&D, depending on the time of the day, moves very fast.

Cherie 02-11-2016 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9041180)
It does bother me. It bothers me that you think you deserve this.

Yes Im worth it

Withano 02-11-2016 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9041184)
Yes Im worth it
I think youre asking too much.. Perhaps if a mods only job was to remove posts then sure, but thats not their only job, you want to give them a new one and its unreasonable.

Cherie 02-11-2016 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9041187)
I think youre asking too much.. Perhaps if a mods only job was to remove posts then sure, but thats not their only job, you want to give them a new one and its unreasonable.
Niamh does it all the time

Firewire 02-11-2016 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Ashley. (Post 9041026)
If your post is deleted without an explanation, ask for an explanation.


:shrug:
You get infracted for that :hmph:

Withano 02-11-2016 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9041188)
Niamh does it all the time
Ive never been given a reason for a deleted post, I wouldnt expect one either. A mods life doesnt revolve around my posts. Assumed this was common knowledge tbh.

Cherie 02-11-2016 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9041190)
Ive never been given a reason for a deleted post, I wouldnt expect one either. A mods life doesnt revolve around my posts. Assumed this was common knowledge tbh.
You need to expect more in life tbh :laugh:

Crimson Dynamo 02-11-2016 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9041190)
Ive never been given a reason for a deleted post, I wouldnt expect one either. A mods life doesnt revolve around my posts. Assumed this was common knowledge tbh.
I thought you, having had a lots and lots of posts deleted, would be keen to know why?

:think:

Withano 02-11-2016 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 9041195)
You need to expect more in life tbh :laugh:
I just dont expect a moderator to follow me around in case they need to give me a cuddle every time im sad

Withano 02-11-2016 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 9041197)
I thought you, having had a lots and lots of posts deleted, would be keen to know why?

:think:
No not really, i completely understand that the mods dont sit around in the tibb office all day waiting for somebody to post, figuring out how to make more work for themselves to earn that hefty 6 figure salary. Im not their priority and this is ok, its a free-to-use forum.

kirklancaster 02-11-2016 08:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9041171)
I just see it one of two ways.. Your post was deemed inapporpriate by somebody with admin powers, either move on with your life or spend a couple hours complaining like its a big deal (its not a big deal, move on with your life)
I am currently involved in a serious, mature, and reasonable discussion with the only other person who matters - besides myself - about my removed posts, and I need neither your advice nor your decree 'that it is not a big deal'.

I am as aware as many others just WHY you and certain others have so suddenly descended upon this thread, to concern yourselves with something which is 'not a big deal', so do not waste your precious time addressing me, just move on with your life.

Crimson Dynamo 02-11-2016 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 9041212)
I am currently involved in a serious, mature, and reasonable discussion with the only other person who matters - besides myself - about my removed posts, and I need neither your advice nor your decree 'that it is not a big deal'.

I am as aware as many others just WHY you and certain others have so suddenly descended upon this thread, to concern yourselves with something which is 'not a big deal', so do not waste your precious time addressing me, just move on with your life.
:clap1:

Withano 02-11-2016 08:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 9041212)
I am currently involved in a serious, mature, and reasonable discussion with the only other person who matters - besides myself - about my removed posts, and I need neither your advice nor your decree 'that it is not a big deal'.

I am as aware as many others just WHY you and certain others have so suddenly descended upon this thread, to concern yourselves with something which is 'not a big deal', so do not waste your precious time addressing me, just move on with your life.
Omg. dont quote me if you dont want to discuss something with me. Thats twice in two days youve done this.

Jordan. 02-11-2016 08:10 PM
Here for this thread being deleted without explanation.

Jamie89 02-11-2016 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Jordan. (Post 9041224)
Here for this thread being deleted without explanation.
:joker:


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