I can see Sharia laws being able to deal with other avenues other than civil disputes and business further down the line. I don't want Sharia law ruling my country, which one day I feel it will. If this makes me be deemed as racist then so be it. I am not alone in my thinking Attachment 3680

No it doesn't make you a racist, because Islam isn't a race, and it has followers of all colours of skin.

Being called a racist by a looney leftie, has no meaning. It's just their answer to everything, because they don't have any other answer.

It IS unrealistic. Sharia Law is not in effect in the UK, nobody can force you or anyone else to follow it.

The whole idea that muslims are gonna 'take over' is ignorant. There's three main ways a minority can become a majority and none of them are realistic when it comes to the UK.

The first is a military coup of power, that's not going to happen since there isn't much of a Muslim presence in the Army to begin with, never mind one with an extremist mindset. Terrorist organisations will never be able to organise and arm a big enough force to mount an attack that could wrest power from the government. IS has to claim responsibility for any and all attacks to maintain the illusion that they have an international presence.

The second is a political coup which, given the attitude towards Sadiq Khan based on the fact that he is a muslim, it isn't likely that someone with terrorist ties and extremist views could ever get close enough given that all Muslims are viewed with suspicion. Plus they'd need support to make it stick and the vast majority of the population (including muslims) aren't wouldn't agree to it.

The last is the idea that extremist Muslims will gain a majority by excessive breeding, this is particularly stupid given that there are only 3 million Muslims in the UK in comparison to the 81 million people of other faiths and beliefs. Cut the 3 million number down to match the fact that extremists are a minority within the Muslim community and you're looking at, at most, a few thousand people (if you're being generous with numbers) trying to outbreed millions upon millions of people. It's not going to happen.

The idea of an Islam takeover is one fuelled by ignorance and hysteria rather than an actual possibility.

Do you understand how laws come into being? They are voted in, they don't just pop into existence.

Sharia Law would have to go through the different houses of Parliament and succeed in several votes before it became law and public perception would play a massive role in it's potential to succeed. No political party would champion it and it wouldn't get any support thus making it unlikely to ever become law.

I live in a very heavily populated muslim area, I am fast becoming a minority. I have to say though, I do hope you are right in what you say because I like your positivity. I guess only time will tell.

Where is the racism on this forum? And why aren't the mods doing anything about it?

Because it's all in your head, it's like you want it to be true.

The only people who talk about race, is the lefties. Everyone else is just waiting for them to stop talking about it, so we can move on.

It doesn't make you racist, it just makes you lack understanding as to why both Jews and Muslims have their own civil law and why it can't and won't ever become more than that.

It's not positivity, it's common sense and you aren't becoming a minority, you'll never be a minority and you shouldn't fear Muslims, no group of people have suffered more loss at the hands of 'islamic' terrorists have suffered than Muslims themselves.

If you're going to worry about extremists taking over then you may as well fear the moon crashing into us because they both have the same likelihood of happening.

Yawn at the ever present 'R word' being thrown about.It was the same with the brexit debate.
Racists are a very small minority.Most of us have grown up and gone to school with and got along fine with people of all races.
It is not racist to be against a backwards and still primitive religion or have it take over large sections of our cities.Which it is and that is undeniable.I can walk to more than one of these areas from my front door within fifteen minutes.There are areas where it is inadvisable for white people to walk through.This is not fantasy,This is the cold hard truth.Why should we have accept this and remain silent or be called racist?

The constant use of that word is an intimidation tactic and, at the end of the day, says more about the person throwing it around than those they attempt to label.

It is boring but what it won't do is shut down opinions - try as they might. :hee:

An intimidation tactic? Why would it be intimidating?

You've accused me of sexism repeatedly and I've never been intimidated by it because I'm not sexist and the suggestion that I am is ridiculous. If someone accuses you of something that isn't true then stand your ground and explain why they are wrong.

I could only imagine someone feeling intimidated by being called a racist if it's true.

Did I say it worked - I was clearly stating the opposite. It was the intention of those using it I was clearly referring to.

The demographics of the area I live in The religious make up of xxxxxxxx is 46.7% Muslim, 33.5% Christian, 13.0% No religion, 0.3% Sikh, 0.2% Hindu, 0.1% Buddhist. I am in the minority of where I live. I live in an area of West Yorkshire.

Isis are recruiting daily, more and more becoming extremists, none of us can see into the future, we can all only speculate.

Are you saying you are Buddhist?

Yes, now leave me alone whilst I meditate

Yep and it is ironic that the only people i've ever been racially abused by were muslims.Never experienced it from any other groups.

You will probably need to meditate quite often if you come on here regularly. :hee:

this :laugh: I made a thread about a Hungarian Village which ended up in a blog by the same poster as being anti Muslim when it was anything but

Racism doesn't actually exist. There is no such thing as racism. Also, everyone is actually nice all of the time. Another -ism that doesn't exist is sarcism. So there's that.

I find those stats a bit difficult to believe, especially in a Yorkshire area.

If you wish to fear the impossible then you are free to do so, it doesn't make it any more likely of happening. Like I said before, it's impossible for an extremist section of Islam to take hold in the UK and become a majority and nothing is going to change that. When you understand how population growth. government and the process of changing legislation, laws and political systems work you'll see that there's nothing to fear.

As I said before, if you think you are at any risk of becoming a minority and somehow being forced into Islam by extremists then you may as well check the moon every night to see if it's fallen out of the sky because the odds of those events happening are pretty much the same.

So whenever you accuse me of sexism you're trying to intimidate me into silence?

It is quite a reasonable comment when you refer to female posters as dear, love etc when in disagreement with them.

Most on here accusesd of racism have only expressed concerns about Islam and its practices. That has nothing to do with race for a start. Religion is not a race.

Not a Hopkins fan but she has some good points here

'BREAKING : Katie Hopkins SAVAGES Britain's Pathetic Liberals'

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I never thought I would agree with Hopkins on anything, but the "reclaiming the bridge" stuff was very cringey and totally inappropriate given people had died there just a day earlier, people taking selfies and shouting we are not afraid, it was all a bit tasteless really.

She has just told you that in the area she lives she is in the minority, I understand what she is saying I live in a similar area the difference is I have always lived in multicultural boroughs in London so I am perfectly used to it, if however I returned to Ireland and found the area I grew up was now completely changed culturally I probably would have an issue with that!! I think for some of the older generations they have seen so much change in their life time it is difficult to comes to terms with it. If you have grown up with it as my kids have they have no issues whatsoever but I have have a 85 year old neighbour who remembers when the area was different and has a different view, that's not racism that is someone who has seen a complete change in their lifetime and is not happy at the loss of her community and neighbourhood.

I can understand that but that's just life I guess, things change and evolve. The sense of community is less here than it was when I was younger too but that's not down to different cultures moving into areas it's just the way the world has moved. You asked earlier what it was like over here. I guess it's different from England because we don't have as much of areas being taken over by a certain group/groups, not that I've noticed anyway. It seems to me that attitudes towards immigrants are harsher over in Britain. Of course Ireland probably isn't high on the list as a target for ISIS either so maybe we're less worried? I don't know really

Not just in relation to ISIS but to immigration in general. I asked because I found attitudes to people coming to work in Ireland as not as welcoming as they might be, I think it was all great during the Celtic Tiger but once that bubble burst there seemed to be a lot of anti Polish sentiment...I remember sitting in a hospital in Cork when my Mum was unwell and the cleaner was having a right moan about Polish people, when I said Ireland has been exporting people for years and it was their turn to give something back she looked quite taken aback its a sentiment I heard a few times on visits, again that is not everyone, just like here in the UK, I am not sure how any major town in Ireland would react to Irish people being in the minority either :laugh:

There's a picture going around Facebook, of the damage done to London during the IRA bombing. It says something like, 'we didn't can all Irish or Catholic folks after this, and we're not going to do it now'. Makes perfect sense to me.

err....lots of people did and still do....

I think that may have been during the very worst time of the recession, there are still quite a lot of Polish people here but I never hear anyone giving out about them (where as I did a bit just after the bubble burst) What I will say though is the Polish over here have really integrated well, it definitely makes things harder when whatever nationality it is don't do that but I think that can be contributed to on both sides, like we'll say african refugees that came over here, they would be all placed in areas together so we're contributing to making "ghettos" (for lack of a better word) and alienating them, as well as them choosing to stick together

Yeah tbf that's not entirely true DR, even back in the late 90's when I was over in London I used to get some comments etc directed at me/being Irish so i can only imagine it was even worse back in the 70's/80's

I think people like to remember things a bit more rose tinted :laugh:

I remember reading an article after 9/11 saying Muslims are the new Irish in Britain and its so true, people have forgotton how badly the Irish were treated during the Troubles, it's only in recent years the BNP took the Irish off their leafleting campaigns :laugh:

What do you think the reason is for attitudes towards immigrants not being as harsh in Ireland?


I would suggest that it's because you're not experiencing it.If you got whole areas taken over i can guarantee attitudes would be exactly the same.

Yeah maybe so NM that coupled with us probably not being overly worried about being a target for ISIS. I think maybe the only reason they would think about targeting Ireland is if they targeted Shannon Airport because the American air force use there to refuel

Yeah i think their narrative for attacking Britain and France etc and the US is that we're at war with them in Syria/Iraq.I don't think Ireland is on their radar.

As it's been established before, I tend to call both male and female members dear. Ignoring the facts doesn't make them disappear, Brillo. Paiting me as sexist in an effort to repress what I have to say and then complain about being a called a racist because it 'intimidates' you makes you a gargantuan hypocrite, as usual.

If someone accuses you of racism then defend yourself just like I've cosntantly refuted your cheap accusations of sexism that ultimately cheapen your position as a 'feminist' (Still not convinced you are, you only seem to be a feminist when you can use it as a weapon and that's not feminism.).

It's her perception that she's a minority, it's not factual unless she can provide evidence. I doubt very much that a white christian/atheist/agnostic (whichever she is) person in Yorkshire is a minority.

Things change and grow, life is not stagnant and neither is culture. As an elderly woman who has seen so much change in her life, you'd think she'd understand that. It sounds like she remembers when the community was mostly white and dislikes the idea of diversity, her community hasn't been lost, it's evolved and I doubt it's changed that much that she's now a minority, that's just a fear that ignorant people have.

Fingers crossed anyway :laugh:

So you don't believe she is in a minority even though she has produced percentages that clearly say she is :umm2: Its her town I think she knows what she is talking about.