UKIP need to either change their name and everything its about or disband because they have done the job they wanted

Well their only MP has quit now.They're as fecked as Labour now and we won't even mention the Lib Dems.
Tories forever now

To be honest ALL of the non-Tory parties need to crumble completely and a new viable opposition needs to rise. There are far more people who DON'T want Tory rule than who DO want it (only 37% of the popular vote), the vote of that other 63% just needs to unite behind one alternative.

I think a not so left wing more sensible but not Tory light Labour party would be the answer.Corbyn and McDonells politics is a niche market and doesn't appeal to the masses.
Also get rid of that awful Diane Abbott.Putting her on every BBC program as the voice of the Labour party does them no favours.
Some of Corbyns policies are great but then he has this far left mentality on top of that which ruins it.
Watching him on Peston on Sunday the other day(Sunday infact :laugh: ) doing everything he possibly could to avoid answering a question on whether shoot to kill is ever justified against a terrorist.Castrating our nuclear deterrent by saying he'd never launch them and being involved in communist organisations like Stop The War.Labour now has a worse image crisis than the Lib Dems.
I don't think a brand new party would ever gain ground with the red/blue roots so deeply entrenched in England.I know that Labour will always win every election in my area so it's pointless voting.It doesn't matter who is in charge of the party or what they do there may as well only be one option on the polling cards where i live.

great post...we desperately need an opposition otherwise it could be 30 years of tories, this labour lot are useless, weasels like abbott will kill them off forever... so 30 years of tories and thats not good for democracy

I believe myself the UK now badly needs a proper PR system for electing govts.
That will never come from the Conservative party however.

I still think were infinitely better off under this tory lot than the last labour disaster
however looking into the future, labour will need to start again as will the pitiful lib dems, UKIP and the national parties...all of whom have the most lilly livered slippery wishy washy bunch of spineless charmless hypocrites in charge

A true center party with a focus on creating jobs and trade, sensible about benefits for the out-of-work but fit, but generous to children / those with disabilities would almost certainly destroy the Tories. We don't seem to be able to find that middle ground. A party with SENSIBLE and realistic plans for getting people into work / trained / educated if they are able, but that doesn't cruelly nip away at the truly vulnerable the way the Tories have been. I don't really understand why it doesn't exist. I think, partly, the problem is that people are deeply entrenched in the politics of the 20th century and it'll be very hard to drag people away from their "roots" without a complete overhaul of the system.

they also need to destroy political correctness and replace it with THE TRUTH

If you mean people not having to fear legal consequences for speaking their mind, then sure. If you mean that you want right-leaning people to be able to say whatever they want, but then bitch and cry when people "call them names", or there are other natural consequences for it... then no.

I think the last thing we need is The Truth in charge :fan:

:clap1: why don't some of the MP's disgruntled with Corbyns agenda break away and form a new party... :idc: I guess they are happy to pick up their salaries from the back benches.

the left never understand free speech...they cant dictate free speech....if we have someone who is chatting **** and being abusive he/she will be shunned and lose their friends and jobs..BUT you cant simply outlaw everything just because the left dont like it. Until the left actually come to terms with this infinite truth they will be in the political wilderness until the end of the world

You don't want Freedom of Speech, you want freedom for those that share your mindset and no one else.

Freedom of Speech is the last thing you believe in.

I'm surprised he managed to dislodge himself from Donald Trump's arse for long enough to comment on Brexit.

Dezzy he is very busy
7PM -8PM Mon to Thurs.
Live Shows on LBC Radio

So His mate Trump
is only at Weekends

:joker: Good one.

I disagree 100% but I 100% respect your right to spout this nonsense

whats wrong with sticking your head up someones arse? its a free world

"You can't call my friend the N word" "PAH BLOODY PC MADNESS, IT'S THE TRUTH" x

freedom of speech? Mother nature gave us a tongue. If one is offended, get over it, simple. I've taken offence at many things in my time but just had to get over it and move on. I suppose if we all bite our tongue there won't be any arguments, glory be, perish the thought. People need to 'man up' or should I say 'people up' don't want to be seen as sexist, I might offend *tut*

that word is illegal and the most offensive to all black people....it doesnt mean the left should therefore ban all free speech and discussion on the back of this one offensive word

EU leaders throwing a temper tantrum now saying that they are planing to break up the united states of america, just shows that their united states of europe dream is over, and now they think that they can bring down america now, I don't think so.

What?Who is saying this?That's crazy talk?

said nobody ever :umm2:

Tusk says they won't punish Britain, as Brexit is punative enough :joker: pay up before any talks take place..

Yeah they want the divorce bill to be first on the agenda.I don't think it will be though as we want to see what our future relationship is going to be before we settle that.
I think that'll be something they keep going back to throughout

if they won't start talks until the bill is paid how is that impasse going to be overcome.

The EU has put the future of Gibraltar at stake in the coming Brexit negotiations, effectively backing Spain in its centuries-old dispute with the UK over the British overseas territory.

After lobbying from Spanish diplomats, a clause has been inserted in the EU’s draft Brexit negotiating guidelines that appears to allow Spain to exclude Gibraltar from any transitional single market access arrangement or future trade deal with the UK if it is not satisfied with the status of the territory.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...t-negotiations

If they're allowed to do that then we should be allowed have a similar arrangement with NI

Well it is a negotiation so i assume.....They're going to negotiate:laugh:

That won't happen.I would'nt have thought May would even entertain it.

doubt that spain will get Gibraltar back, because spain has no sovereign powers as a country to take back Gibraltar, because they are members of the EU, and that means its brussels, who call's the shots, when spain get's gibraltar back or not, and the fact that the EU can't demand a high money settlement for britain to leave and then ask for the uk too give back Gibraltar, no way, can the EU get both things, that's to big of a bargan chip for the uk and the EU, the EU has to accept two things, one, let britain leave and give up gibraltar, and not pay a euro coin to brussels, two, uk keeps gibraltar, and pays the big settlement money to leave, and we all know what the EU wants more than ever, and its not some rock that you can't see on a map.

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So the UK has to negotiate before they can start to negotiate, so much for EU not having the upper hand :laugh:



The EU are flexing their muscles and showing Great Britain just how difficult the process is going to be, they have already scuppered talks starting and I think this is just the beginning of what is in store for May et al

You have to remember that the EU doesn't really have the upper hand.They need a good deal with us.We are the EU's largest single export market.EU leaders are under huge pressure from businesses and the electorates of the individual countries to get a good deal with us.All the bluster beforehand will take a backseat i think when it comes down to negotiations.The last thing the EU needs is us to say 'no deal' and walk out.

I agree with that. Also these bulling tactics from the EU are pretty disgusting in my opinion - the EU are the biggest sulkers and foot stumpers of all. They are determined to try and make an example of the UK in order to scare other countries from opting out. Such desperation does little for their cause in my opinion.