Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9297290)

I voted out but now I feel like the fat lady who fell for the spiel on how a herbal drink would make me thin! I’m far from alone; the Economist has shown research which revealed a massive turn in Brexit retreats from people who are outraged by the false promises made in the Brexit campaign.

I always laughed at the ridiculous promises about cutting immigration. That asylum seekers would be returned to their country and border control would be letting less migrants in and so I wasn’t surprised when that showed up pretty quickly after the vote as the unicorn it always was.

I did though, believe their implicit promises about the NHS. I believed Boris Johnson when he very clearly told us that we would retain access to the single market and our public services could only survive under Brexit and I believed the secretary of State for international trade when he told us all that we would trade freely with the EU.

We are now being told that all these figures were merely extrapolation and all these campaign promises were nothing more than a series of possibilities.

I have buyers remorse and if you care to read articles in ‘The Economist,’ I’m certainly not alone. There has been a massive move over to remain since this unicorn was revealed to be nothing more than a pit pony.

I believe the percentage of remain voters now far outweigh the Brexiteers. I also believe that many of those who regret, won't have the balls to say so, but that's good because it gives the Conservatives a false illusion. When it comes to the election, there's is bound to be a lot of tactical voting because the regretters won't be voting for the blues.

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9297292)

You have to ask yourself why Farage resigned and Boris walked away with his tail between his legs after the Brexit vote. How could such staunch campaigners walk away from the masses so quickly after the results?

Did Farage never really believe we'd be exiting the EU. If so, then his sudden resignation makes sense. If he had lost the vote by a small margin, he was bound to gain a lot of seats at the next election because many voting to leave would still have belief in his capabilities. When the exit results were unveiled, Farage knew he couldn't deliver and so threw in the towel, leaving others to pick up the upheaval.

Did Boris want to undermine Cameron. Was he ensuring his status in the British government? perhaps he'd taken a bet in the Bullingdon Club.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9297353)

There are also many from the remain camp who would now vote leave.

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9297390)

It's a good job Labour aren't going to be handling Brexit negotiations.I have just witnessed a Labour MP on national television trying to press David Davis into telling us all and the EU negotiaters the minimum amount he's willing pay for this so called "divorce bill".
Is she off her rocker?How would that help the country in any way?

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9297939)

Clearly she has no understanding of the strategy of keeping your cards close to your chest. Silly woman.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9297967)

It is all a game, after all.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9297973)

Unfortunately in many ways it is, for the EU at least - and a pretty nasty one at that.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9298006)

For all politics always, but that doesn't mean we should simply accept or encourage it in our own leaders . Perhaps have "the balls" to strive for something better?

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 9297292)

You have to ask yourself why Farage resigned and Boris walked away with his tail between his legs after the Brexit vote. How could such staunch campaigners walk away from the masses so quickly after the results?

Did Farage never really believe we'd be exiting the EU. If so, then his sudden resignation makes sense. If he had lost the vote by a small margin, he was bound to gain a lot of seats at the next election because many voting to leave would still have belief in his capabilities. When the exit results were unveiled, Farage knew he couldn't deliver and so threw in the towel, leaving others to pick up the upheaval.

Did Boris want to undermine Cameron. Was he ensuring his status in the British government? perhaps he'd taken a bet in the Bullingdon Club.

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9298011)

We are striving for something better. Hence Brexit.

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9298011)

We are striving for something better. Hence Brexit.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9298022)

Oh yes. Britain, who has been playing political chess for as long as if not far longer than the rest of the world, is seeking a better way with less game playing, by exiting Europe, through a series of political games. Flawless plan.

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9298025)

So far our dear friends in the EU are the ones playing games and leaking gossip to the press. I don't recall mentioning any plan are you making stuff up?

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9298026)

You don't understand what I'm talking about so there isn't much point elaborating. That's not "making stuff up", however.

I would add though that if you genuinely believe that Theresa May is not playing games, then you are politically naive and you should probably be aware of that.

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9298027)

... and the person to point out Jaxie's faults in her political thinking is... you.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9298026)

You don't understand what I'm talking about so there isn't much point elaborating. That's not "making stuff up", however.

I would add though that if you genuinely believe that Theresa May is not playing games, then you are politically naive and you should probably be aware of that.

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9298123)

Que?

I don't think I said whether she plays games or not, I have no idea if she likes a bit of Scrabble or Monopoly.