Sharia law isn't binding in the UK and yet people can still go to sharia councils and settle disputes and even divorce.

I understand all the nitpicking but that's exactly what it is. Pakistan is an Islamic country. That means that Islam has an influence in all aspects of society, including councils.

but killing a girl is nothing there

You're mistaking me for Livia I think. :nono: Please don't ascribe someone elses words to me.

Not if you're a cow. :shrug:

My point is Pakistan is an Islamic country and India is a Hindu country and they both have these councils.....

Well if I were a Pakistani cow I would certainly be looking for refugee status in India that's for sure :laugh:

Me too.

That doesn't mean they are the same councils, run under the same rules and laws. Though both countries have terrible records with regard women, and I don't think religion in India is innocent either. People get beaten to death there for having meat in their freezer that may or may not be cow. If they are lucky enough to have a freezer.

I just posted a link a few posts back of very similar sounding punishments by some Indian councils.

England is a similar country to Ireland. And yet it's completely different.

Ok but I still showed you examples of punishments handed out by Indian councils that were very similar to this one in the OP :laugh:

And I said that I don't think India's main religion is all that great either. Though if it had been India mentioned I probably wouldn't have assumed it was related to Hinduism because it's a secular state.

However Islam is the second largest religion in India. It's not far fetched that both countries might have adopted similar customs.

The law of the Islamic country is protecting the girl but you're blaming Islam for the council "convicting" her instead of the alleged rapists father........

anyway, i feel we're going round in circles now.

Is it really? Or is it supporting her fathers complaint? What will her future be? A payment made usually and the man will go free. Will she ever be able to live back in the same village without shame and retribution? How many other girls does this happen to where they aren't supported by their fathers?

Why are you speaking to me like I agree with all this, I totally disagree with that kind of culture, all that I was pointing out was that it was a culture

And I'm trying to point out that culture and state are impossibly tangled with religion. Whether interpreted correctly or not, the religion is used as justification for systemic gender subordination.

You have failed to do that imo because you just stated that if it happened in India (and it does alot going by examples I posted a link to) you would not blame religion but here you do eventhough that list of questions you just asked me (Is it really? Or is it supporting her fathers complaint? What will her future be? A payment made usually and the man will go free. Will she ever be able to live back in the same village without shame and retribution? How many other girls does this happen to where they aren't supported by their fathers?) could just as easily be applied to India

Nit sure what you are slavering about now but can you use the word allegedly now and again please.

No I said "Though if it had been India mentioned I probably wouldn't have assumed it was related to Hinduism because it's a secular state."

Rape is a terrible problem in India especially gang rape probably the worst in the world.

India has gone downhill since Britian left

So therefore it makes sense that these two countries just have similar cultures and attitudes towards women regardless of religion

:rolleyes:

I also said: However Islam is the second largest religion in India. It's not far fetched that both countries might have adopted similar customs.

Can i just say India has almost the same amount of Muslims as Pakistan

Well it as they have no real justice system

So it's Muslims fault in India too? Ok then, I'm done.

You see what you want to see in the conversation. I can't help that. Don't confuse people with beliefs that are taught to people.

Any culture that makes 10 year old girls marry 40 year old men disgusts me and shouldnt be allowed to exist

I read it. I don't care if it was Islam, Hindu or whatever primitive religion it was - it is a religion that hates and abuses women. And they have clearly been getting away with it for centuries.

She was a victim of rape but she will be the one who will be punished. She may escape being stoned now but her life will never be the same if she stays there and she probably never be safe.

That is down to man-made religion and man-made rules designed to give men the upper hand. A primitive controlling and abusive religion is what it is no matter what name it hides behind and some are clearly a lot worse than others.

I think this is the important message to take from the story. To give you credit, you didnt mention a specific religion.. others did, there was a lot of religion bashing in this thread despite both; the protagonists and the antagonists likely sharing a faith. It didnt make sense. Some are worse than others, agreed, others are not bad at all.

I'm 90% sure that Brillo meant that some religions "are clearly worse than others", rather than some members of each religion being worse than others.

I might be wrong.

But it would be more in step with Brillo's other posts.

Oh. Maybe. That's a shame. I thought I witnessed personal growth for a second there.

why brush it under the carpet and pretend it doesnt happen, the more we know about stuff like this that goes on the more we are nearer a time where this kind of thing is is put to an end. Of course it's horrible but it's better to be educated in what goes on instead of being ignorant to it, otherwise how can we do anything about it

What?

Who said brush it under the carpet?

I don't need to watch graphic videos of innocent people being slaughtered in war zones to know it's happening.

I simply asked how people can put themselves through watching something like that. The people I asked answered me courteously and that's the end of it.

Did I say YOU brushed it under the carpet? Nope, I wasn't being rude, I asked you a question, calm down lol

This is terrible to read however not all too uncommon in society today