That's just not true in the west is it?

don't disagree on not knowing motive etc, but the PM has labelled it a terrorist attack, so thats what I will go with for the moment.

Maybe if M15 deemed far right terrorism to ba anything other than a police matter those stats might change?

'Domestic extremism mainly refers to individuals or groups that carry out criminal acts in pursuit of a larger agenda, such as "right-wing extremists". They may seek to change legislation or influence domestic policy and try to achieve this outside of the normal democratic process. For the most part, they pose a threat to public order but not to national security and are investigated by the police, not MI5.

https://www.mi5.gov.uk/terrorism

Another really worrying incident, thankfully it seems injuries rather than deaths.

Just shocking and really this could happen anywhere any City too.

Is it wise to let Theresa May do your thinking for you?...

It's a horrible incident, but it's not terrorism if lacks a political motive and continuity, which seems to be the case.

Because Islam(or being a muslim) is relevant to the motive of the attack.I.E 'Islamist extremist'.

Being white is not relevant.
Terrorists can be white too you know.

Maybe he should be described as a far right extremist or terrorist.

Now do you think the media would say something like 'A brown man aged 48 has been arrested' because that's what the BBC did earlier only saying "white" instead.
What relevance is his skin colour?

Connotations.

If a muslim yelled something like 'Allahu Akbar' during their attack, that is terrorism but if someone who has just attempted to kill a bunch of muslims say 'I want to kill muslims' then that isn't terrorism?

Where is the logic in that?

Here's some food for thought, what constitutes a 'hate preacher?'

Could hopkins, farage and certain media outlets be comparable?

'Ukip’s “Breaking Point” poster, showing a queue of refugees and migrants which was used during the EU referendum campaign, was reported to police last June over claims that it incited racial hatred.'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7797166.html

er no

its just bored multi millionaire author JK Rowling virtue signalling for likes as her star fades...

hardly worth an article unless you are a fading once newspaper who resorts to clickbait to pay the mortgage

I say she's got a point..

i say she is talking bollocks as per

I never mentioned religion though.

Terrorism must include political motives and continuity (more than one attack perpetrated or it must be proved that attacker planned to execute more than one attack).

If a muslim attacker is connected to ISIS or some other terrorist organisation, he is definitely a terrorist. But if he decided one day to drive his vehicle into crowd because he wanted to punish the society for 'being racist' then it is not terrorism.

Many attacks in Europe lately have been wrongly labeled as terrorism by politicians because such lables give them power to use harder counter-terrorism measures. Media also love the word.

Says the internet troll :hehe:

im not the one posting peoples tweets as actual articles and posting links to an Alt-left troll site

you are

perhaps you need to adjust the reflective aspect of your monitor?

The vast majority are, do you have any facts and figures to back up your claim?

Tbf, Rowlings opinion on anything far exceeds the average intelligence and morality of most politicians and celebs. It doesnt matter which paper picks them up to me. If shes got something interesting to say, her words should be shared. Its almost as if people want others to stop posting on tibb or sumin :shrug:

In response to her, I would always presume that hate preachers targetted a specific group and praised their own.. so under my definition, I dont think Hopkins suits. She hates so many people, including people she would probably consider part of her own ingroup. Farage is questionable though.

Tbf, Rowlings opinion on anything far exceeds the average intelligence and morality of most politicians and celebs.

let me guess why..because she says things you agree with?

unless you have another reason?

I dont always agree with her, there was a thread the other month that i cba to find which i disagreed at. I even stated in the post you quoted that i dont entirely agree with everything she has said here.. so your presumption is frankly bizarre. She just obviously has more moral integrity and intelligence than the average celeb / politician.. so why shouldnt we take her words just as seriously, if not more seriously?

I'd say JK Rowlings opinion on terrorism is about as valid as mine.Now get her talking about writing and she's an expert.
Politicians probably do get more info on the subject than the average Joe.

And that's acceptable when you link to random you tubers rant fests though and Britain first, as 'proof' of your theories?...

:/

when?

if I have linked to either I would imagine I linked to other news sources or the stories were widely reported in the media

to claim I use either a fraction as much as you and your sources is pure fantasy

sputnik... breitbart ... :eek:

Horrible bastard. Its just idiocy to blame all Muslims for what a few of them do. Should all white people be blamed now because of this twat?

Stormfront, Ukip jayden:flutter:

London Terrorist van attack
identified as Darren Osborne
from Cardiff
his home has been searched.

http://news.sky.com/story/suspect-in...borne-10920634

He is obviously not right in the head.

a welshman :omgno:

yep and

Security Minister Ben Wallace said the suspect was not known to the security services, and was believed to have acted alone.

crazy lone wolf like the Jo Cox chap

anyone who causes terror among the public is a terrorist, people were terrified, terrorist he was

"Dianne Abbott was up from her sick bed and able to identify this as a certain terror attack within three hours of it occurring. When usually, 'it is not wise to speculate'."

source Katie Hopkins in her DM article today

You do know that Tommy Robinson is'nt actually far right?Many of his political views are more left wing.
When he setup the EDL two core principles were "non racist,non violent" but far right factions got in and splintered off.He is classed as a "race traitor" by actual Nazis and far right activists.He was wanted by them.
One reason he started that group was that he was seeing friends around Luton suffering at the hands of Islamists and people he went to school with being radicalised on British streets.
He and a black friend went to a Britain First meeting but he refused to join as they wouldn't let his friend join because he's black so he set up the EDL to be non racist but to protest against Islamic extremism.
He left the EDL because it was taken over by racists.
He gets constantly slandered in the press and parts of things he says taken out of context and many believe it until they actually listen to him.
He also brings to light alot of things that the papers and news never tell us like the scale of the Pakistani child sex gang problem.There are loads of cases on going and in court and we are kept in the dark about it by mainstream media.

I agree.He is a terrorist no doubt.

The worrying thing is that this is beginning to turn into a war.
One side attacks and the other eventually starts retaliating and that is very dangerous.

to be fair this is happening in a couple of cities, 99.9% of the UK are unaffected

some twat in Finsbury park is not the UK, its a dick in a really horrible part of London (one of the many)

For now.
How long before Islamists hit us again and then another twat retaliates?
If the Islamic terror problem isn't solved then these things are only going to keep happening more and more.It's only going to grow.I can't see an end and that's worrying.That strikes me as the birth of a war.
This man who ran those people over at the mosque was a monster,A monster created by extremists.
Let's hope these people start seeing sense and not retaliating against the wrong people anymore before it gets out of hand.

That's actually pretty interesting that he's disassociated himself with the edl. I didn't know that.
When it comes to tommy, I personally think, and I think a lot of people probably feel the same, that he is a guy that opposes one form of extremism very strongly. And when a person only opposes one form of extremism (i.e. Islamic) you must presume that there are racial/hateful implications.
I looked through his tweets - because I wasn't expecting to see him make a 20 minute video shouting at white right wing men - to see what he had to say about this event, and the closest he got to shaming it was asking people to compare this (presumably the death toll) to Manchester. The guy is scum. He's aggressive and honestly his stories about having multiple converted friends is either obvious bull**** or he's the unluckiest man in the universe!
Does make you wonder if this event would have happened at all if edl and Britain first didn't exist. Organisations that preach literally nothing but hate can't leave a good mental impression on anybody. Good for him for disassociating himself with that I guess. He hasn't done too much to prove he's much different though, to me.

I think it's not shocking to him because he's been predicting that this was going to start happening for a long time.Although i did see an interview recently where he called this guy "a monster".
As for him knowing people who've been radicalised i think i can probably believe it due to the extent of the problem in Luton.People getting converted on the street etc,Hate preachers living there and high tensions.There is alot of unreported shiz going on.Most of the country don't see this stuff as thankfully it seems concentrated to certain areas but how long before it grows more widespread is the worry.

He left the EDL a few years ago now and for a time he was gaining a modicum of respectability by working with the Quilliam foundation which works with the Muslim community to tackle extremism. It was soon after then that he was invited to address the Oxford University union and he did actually give quite a measured and thought-provoking speech there. I don't think he works with Quilliam anymore though and recently he's got back into anti-Islam street activism with EDL-type movements like Pegida. He does always choose his words quite carefully and he doesn't explicitly advocate violence but he is still a dangerous man