‘Those silly Americans with those Super Bowl ads!’ - no one ever
a reach and a half, I love the super bowl ads but then again I work quite close to marketing, everyone else literally doesn’t care about them :shrug:

i love the superbowl, the ads can do one as can the half time bollocks

but yes we want sentiment and tradition at Chrimbo and not some utopian wankfest thought up by some bearded metro-sexual account exec living in a bedsit in Clapham

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Your kidding? There are many countries around the globe where Christian women are required to cover their hair. Start with Russian Orthodox and Coptic Christians. A lot of the Romanian women who sell big issue are covered from head to toe, including their hair because they are Orthodox Christians, not Muslims as so many wrongly presume.

I don't know why you find my train of thought so difficult to follow its hardly the most complex of thinking :laugh:


Withano said
I have no idea. I'd like to think that there wasn't many more than 2 twitter users who assumed someones religion and then got upset because they did so, but I could be wrong.

so I directed him to your response when I said much the same thing,

Well this makes a change from people being up in arms because apparently Muslims don't want anyone else to celebrate christmas :idc:

Really...I don't know many Muslim families granted, but all of the ones I do know do celebrate xmas. As do most athiests I know, as Christmas is not really about religion these days at all. Hasn't been for a long time.

Sighs... obviously not because Christians don't believe in Muhammad!

I am a little confused by that. I am not religious at all so no expert on Christianity but I am pretty sure it is not a requirement of said religion in the West.

So that beggars the question does that have more to do with geographics and common views in certain countries towards women and their interpretation of how women should act/dress than the religion itself.

It's not a requirement of Islam either, there are many (millions, I would imagine) Muslim women who don't cover their hair... There are still more Muslims than Christians who do, obviously, but it's more down to interpretations of it and culture than any sort of strict requirement. It's more that most branches of modern day Christianity are pretty "relaxed" about which parts of the bible they follow, and which parts arent considered important any more.

There are also many Muslim women who seem to decide to wear it when they haven't previously worn anything, and whose families / husbands etc. don't care either way if they do or not, which might be surprising.

I would point out that there are rules about what men should and shouldn't wear too and what constitutes "modest dress", just that it tends not to include covering the head or hair. Generally, if I'm getting this right, (strict) Muslim men also aren't supposed to show most of their body (should always have long sleeves / not wear shorts / shirts buttoned right up etc) and also aren't supposed to wear anything "that shoes their shape", so clothes are supposed to be on the baggy side / nothing tight-fitting.

Whether or not the rules are always applied equally is another matter, I suppose, but that does apply across all cultures religious and not in my experience. A lot of people hypocritically expect more of their partners than they do of themselves.

Its fairly recent (and ongoing) that women don't have expectations on them above and beyond men, I mean we're talking far less than 100 years even, since men in this country were expecting / insisting on "modest dress" for women while going around topless themselves.

I guess the thing is, it took women themselves, from within, to say "no this isn't good enough" and stand up to it and the transition wasn't an easy one. Things are only going to change in other cultures when the same thing happens there... Which it almost certainly will at some point. It can't be "forced" from the outside.

Of course. The clear indicator of a Muslim. :rolleyes:

Orthodox Christianity does require conservative dressing from both men and woman, I have for example seen a man thrown out of a church while wearing shorts, but its moving the the topic away from the point of the discussion really. Everyone knows what Tesco's intention was, and it certainly wasn't to promote Orthodox Christianity

And you weren't paying attention when he described the holy trinity as Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Like a human father would pass a part of himself on through his children.

But I suppose that went over your head.

Good informative post TS

I work with one Muslim woman who doesn't wear the head covering and dresses western style. Her sister, who like her, is single, wears modest clothing and head covering. My work colleague is a practicing Muslim. Like you say, many Muslim women don't wear Muslim style clothing.

Also, when I first went to Bucharest, I was astounded at the number of Muslim women in black abaya's and al-amira style head dressers. There were women praying on prayer mats on the streets. When you looked a little closer, they were holding rosaries and crucifixes. Since then I've never presumed that a woman who is wearing hijab in the UK is actually a Muslim woman because its just as likely she's an Orthodox or Coptic Christian from Eastern Europe or Egypt.

It was to promote inclusiveness regardless of who you are.

Would Tesco even advertise with a Muslim festival theme? No.

Christmas is the only commercial one in that respect.

It's got bugger all to do with religion and everything to do with retail.

What a load of rubbish.

Oh Tesco's intention is self promotion and profit, no ifs ands or buts. It's advertising. I'd have thought that was a given, really, but then I see plenty of people still fawning over the John Lewis and M&S Christmas adverts like those companies are anything but cynical profit machines like any other company, who are only pulling at people's heart-strings to loosen their purse-strings.

........there are good reasons I don't watch broadcast TV and have about 5 different adblocks on my browser and one on my router, I guess :joker:.

People are always asking me things like "oh have you seen the ______ advert yet?"... Unless someone has sent me a YouTube link of it, the answer is going to be "no" :joker:.

John Lewis adverts are honestly woeful.

'Here's some sappy **** with a dull as dishwater acoustic cover of an overplayed song played over it, NOW CRY FOR ME BITCH AND BUY MY OVERPRICED ****!'

yes how lovely for them but who specifically was complaining, who specifically is this article addressed to?

"Because, yes, critics of this advert expect us to integrate, but not too much"

yes m8te but who are you talking about because you seem too be getting on your high horse due to some invisible critic?

what a load of bollocks

Well written link Vicky. I agree with all of it. Muslims are darned if they do and darned if they don't.

by who specifically?

Tbf, the youtube comment section under that video is shocking. There does seem to be a fair few thousand that dislike the concept of an ad like this. Which is just ridiculous.

Judging by the article you would think there were no positive comments, shame the article focuses completely on negative tweets, it's a bit woe is me with no balance

i am pretty sure that You tube comments is not the answer or justification for any question

I was looking at a camera today and people were effing and jeffing and being racist and sexist about the asian woman in the video

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If you look at the comments on Daily Mail write up on this, one of the first one says, "As soon as I saw this advert, I said I would never shop at Tesco again even though it's my nearest supermarket". That comment received 1381 likes. Another one commented, "The advert is a fantasy, and in these times, it's in very bad taste." which received 1104 likes and although there's a good amount of positive comments, there are a good few who claim they won't be shopping at Tescos again.

like i said about youtube comments if you are using them or DM comments as your justification for a viewpoint or argument then you are not really understanding the medium or what it is you are getting angry about

they are at best pantomime

But6 the crap NS article does not even try to give a source it just pretends it be angry at some unknown source

I don't know what we're talking about anymore

I also think that nobody gives a flying **** who celebrates Christmas and how. The annoyance is with Tesco for producing what is basically a cringe worthy advert, and they are not alone, they all seem to be at it.

me most days

correct, its them thinking that we buy it

its truly pathetic

But you don't treat Muslims how you want to be treated. :conf:

Loads of people do buy into advertising, sadly... They wouldn't still be spending so much on it if it wasn't profitable.

im off too Tesco in an hour as it goes

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do they not close early like they do down South, poor you :laugh:

24 hours

the 24 hour ones close at 5 on a Sunday..:hee:

Only in Christian backwaters like England; in Scotland, 24h is 24h.

SO many times when I lived Darn Sarf (way down in... Lancashire :joker: ) I got caught out on Sundays like "I'll just pop to the shop" at 6pm and then remembering that everything shuts at 4 or 5 on a Sunday :umm2:.

Meanwhile in Scotland, I'll be going shopping tonight when I finish work at half 10 :hee:.

They do shut the upstairs bit (clothes and electronics) at 10 though, but that's because of drunks and junkies shoplifting [emoji23]