There are many things in people's lives which they have to struggle against every single day.

It may not be something which affects their dealings with the opposite sex but can control their lives in a way they might not want or like.

Do they rant and rail against the wider community about their lot and expect them to fund their problem when they earn more than a lot of their neighbours.

Do they want others not to notice their problems and change their thinking towards it.

India is not disabled or mentally challenged. She has a good job, has her health and her mother is supportive.

She has had her surgery free, yet still thinks the world owes her something.

Most people have something we find about ourselves which we wish was different but do not let it become the main topic of conversation over and over again and demand others think the same way.

India is a first class bore, no wonder she hasn't had a relationship in years, who could put up with her?

I suppose where India’s issue lies is that by someone saying they wouldn’t date a trans person, that that person doesn’t see the trans person as an actual member of that gender, so by genuine saying he wouldn’t date her because she’s trans, he’s saying he doesn’t see her as an actual woman

People do think like that, so i ask them would they date a woman to man trans as they should still see him as a woman?

If that is his honest opinion, what is she going to do about it.

Stamp away and go to bed, that will solve everything.

Just realise you will not change everyone's opinion and get over it.

Some people will never see India as a woman, it’s just a tad naive of her to think otherwise.
Not saying if it is right or wrong, but it is what it is.

I see nothing wrong with what he said...

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I asked that to someone earlier in this thread, he said he'd consider himself straight if he dated a trans man and gay if he dated a trans woman. That doesn't really make sense to me but.....

It's a tricky one I am happy to consider her female however her ranting that she is a 'real woman' I find harder to accept as she was not born that way.

I do not want to offend anyone so I am trying to use the right wording I know literally naff all about transgender or the LGBT as I don't usually look at sexuality/gender/height/colour of skin/etc in that way to like or dislike a person. The way people treat me (others) or their character in general is how I tend to judge people

But you are quite right she needs to understand not everyone is of the same mindset/generation/has the same life experiences so her ability to accept others the way they accept her will do her a ton of favours (if she ever learns to be more polite to others and not be so judgemental, childish, hypocritical etc)

I wonder if India would be happier if people were blatantly honest and said ' No, I do not see you as a woman, I see you as a transwoman, the two are very different'

Doubt it somehow.

How does that not make sense? If someone believes that you cannot actually change sex as many people do (and science agrees with this as it stands) then a transman is a female, and a transwoman is a male. Therefor a male person dating a transman is a male datng a female, so straight.

Comes down to if you believe sex is a material thing, or something in ones head really. I would say sex is a real thing, not a feeling. People can have surgeries to mimic the opposite sex if that relieves their dysphoria, but their sex does remain the same, and in a lot of cases you can still tell the original sex anyway. India is definitely one of those cases.

I feel India is rude to Ginuwine by the fact they know he has a lot of kids, 9 to be exact, to 5 different women so she asks him about dating a transgender person because he's been with lots of women before so India is bugging him about being with one thinking he'll be with lots more women. I don't like how India is thinking of Ginuwine

Don’t ask a question if you are not prepared to accept the answer in good faith.
All this victim crap is rubbish, she is 50+ years old, learn to bloody grow up, if she is lucky she will meet the man of her dreams, if he has any sense will run a mile and get away from the misery she is.

I'd never date or have sex with a transperson either. :shrug:

Luckily enough for them http://cdn.thisisbigbrother.com/cust...r12296_100.gif

Im loving Malika right now!!

I really dont think India should go for her, it could get very ugly

And very entertaining lol

You cheeky bitch. Anyone would be lUCKY to have me. :hmph:

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Not everyone would be comfortable dating a trans person it's a fact . So India needs to get over herself :bored: .

Gosh - I feel for India's situation but she is not doing anything to help herself or the image of transgender people.
Transgender aside, as a person she is not coming across great. The whole bed move scenario with Ann; the way she dealt with Genuwin's response - all in all, her responses to both show no compassion or grace. She seems to be throwing a lot of tantrums when people don't agree with her.

I find myself wondering if she always been like this? If not, then perhaps it is too early for her to have done a show like CBB. Her emotions still seem very raw.

Either way I hope people remember that she is representing herself & not all transgender folk.

i wonder would she date a trans man? not liking India at all very hypocritical and Malika was exactly right, shes a victim

India would never date a trans man that's the hypocrisy of it!!. i wish somebody asked her this and flipped the tables on her :joker: .

I willIndia is being completely unrealistic and I think it's something a lot of people are unrealistic about for the sake of PC. India has had cosmetic changes so that India feels comfortable but those changes only go so far, it's still mostly the same body of a 50 year old man, same height, voice hip shape etc. The changes are a self desire but they don't magically transform you into Britney Spears in the eyes of others. People will be polite and respect your right to live as desired. But a straight man is attracted to women. India does not look like a woman so why would a straight guy want to date her? Most people are attracted to others through physical appearance initially. Your body change isn't necessarily going to make you more attractive to straight people.

Yeah, and I can understand where people don't really want to have this discussion with folk who already struggle everyday with their identity. To that end, I can understand how India's feelings were not just hurt in some trivial way.

Maybe in her real life, people handle her fragility differently (with kid gloves) and keeps these conversations to a minimum as a means to not exacerbate her dysphoria. But I also don't think that we should be encouraging this perception that just because you change your sex on your ID or have work done, that other's perception of your sex/gender should also change. These shouldn't be sold as a bill of goods, a means to achieving permanent acceptance in other people's eyes. What it should represent is your individual choice to live as a particular gender and to enjoy your legal rights while doing so (i.e. use the bathroom of that gender), to go with the internal work. To sell it as more than this is not only harmful but will lead to disappointment. I don't think she's fully transitioned spiritually/mentally in this respect.. she really does seem to treat it as though being a woman comes down to boobs, cloths and hair (the whole "diva" thing)... and just kinda missing out on everything else in the process. She could have a very good experience in the house if she would just let things happen.

In many ways I think India as a representative of trans just shows that much more counselling and less surgical procedure may be more appropriate in some cases. I don't think the surgery she has had is going to give India what she wants. There is a lot of talk about transformation but that has to be personal because your transformation isn't necessarily transforming others or how they will see you.

Why did she go on BB she clearly needs counselling then . She keeps having these random outbursts everytime somebody has a different opinion and it's tiresome to see :facepalm: .

Ginuwine was being honest in the most gentlemanly way which was nice to see , i bet people assumed he'd be a rough argumentative person as he's a rapper.

India is pathetic the way she's pushing him and grabbing him, and even then he's still being polite and just laughing it off .

Malika even said if a guy didn't fancy her because his preference was for another ethnicity she wouldn't cry and moan about it :joker: .

Ginuwine is a straight man with 9 kids therefore he must fancy all women??? , India is delusional :bored: .

If the boot had been on the other foot and Ginuwine had grabbed India to try to kiss her she would have kicked up such a stink,he would have been removed

gender and sex are 2 different things. 1 of them is real the other is not.

calling India a woman is shocking indeed, since i still see many male things about ha :eek:

i do get the feeling India went into CBB to argue, moan, whine and make everything go on about her :mad:

If India had done to a man on the outside what she did to Ginuwine she would have got battered

I agree but would add that my feelings are that India went in to show how brave she has been, how wonderful she was for highlighting her struggles, educating the morons on every aspect of her 50 years as a man in the wrong body and never letting anybody forget how she has transitioned by getting her false boobs out at every opportunity to prove she is now a real woman.

It hasn't happened the way she wanted and her pique at realizing it is manifesting itself in petty spitefulness and throwing her toys out of the pram.

India hasn't experienced that whole being a teenage girl, going through puberty, experimenting with makeup and clothes, falling for the wrong bloke... consequently she has no idea how to dress herself as a fifty something woman, or how to act age-appropriately. You would have thought she had some female friends who would tell her straight... unless, as I suspect, she never thinks she's ever wrong. And her performance last night when she found out someone who has no shortage of female attention, didn't want to date her. She was embarrassing. However, I was really impressed with the others, there seems to be a really good, inclusive feeling in there, and I particularly liked Courtney's take on stuff, especially considering how India had insulted her earlier in the evening.

Eh I can understand why it's a bit of a kick in the teeth for transwomen to hear that their very status as a transwoman rules them out as a viable partner for a lot of men and it undermines what they hoped to become by transitioning. I don't think India's view is that outrageous really and the counterarguments that people were making were quite poor in saying Ginuwine might also not be attracted to Malika etc. because like India said they're not talking about individuals..

She didn't put herself across well at all but that could very easily have been a disaster area for Ginuwine.

Whilst she made it about herself and everyone seemed to think she was just upset because he wouldn't go for her, she did have a point to be fair in that writing off an entire demographic is a little bit ignorant. It's not acceptable for people to say "I wouldn't date/marry/**** black guys" so this isn't really that different. Might not have found one attractive yet, and the biology might be confusing/off-putting, but it's still a sweeping generalisation, and something that a lot of people can excuse their bigotries with calling it "a preference".

Reminds me of that Sky show about 15 years ago, 'There's Something About Miriam'. It's very possible for people to pass as sexually desirable until someone mentions the dirty word and you have to wonder how many of those on that show would indeed have slept with her without the stigma. I have to admit I'm not well-versed on the biology/practicality of full MTF genital surgery though.

Sadly I think a lot of transphobia is going to be peddled because India happens to be a self-centred, ignorant drama queen, and that's not fair on her or anyone who's a little less whiney.

Not being attracted to someone isn't racist. If someone's not into black guys, I think that's just like not being into blonde guys, or guys with tats. For some men, dating India would be like dating a man, she looks like a man - I'm stating that as a fact and not to be insulting. We can't all pretend that fancy everyone so as not to offend, surely! I'm pretty sure there are men out there who wouldn't date me for a variety of reasons... and one of them would be because I'm Jewish. My reaction is that it's their loss.

I wouldn't go out with a guy, that's writing off an entire demographic too and perfectly acceptable. Sometimes its ok :shrug:

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we all have preferences that we find attractive and are draw to people. just because you say it - does not make you wrong.


I am looking for a long term lover that can stomach ???? poetry. and I will promise her a love of my life poem every day of my life. but she can not be called narcissis ?

I wonder what the answer would be if someone asked Ginuwine whether he would date someone born a woman... who is over 50. I can guess what the answer would be and I doubt any of the 50+ women in there would go and throw themselves on the bed sobbing.

But Ginuwine said he wouldn’t date any trans woman, didn’t he? Not just India? So it wouldn’t matter how much of a woman they looked