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armand.kay 13-01-2018 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9792010)
How are they reducing the suffering of animals?

The same animals are being killed.
Theres not as much demand for meet and dairy because they're not having it as much as usual, if everybody in Britain decided to only eat meet once a day the meet industry would be shook. Its all about little changes that make a big difference.

lewis111 13-01-2018 06:07 PM
You can't really think animals Being bred purely to be looked up them slaughtered is as natural as a lion or whatever killing an animal in the wild
There's nothing natural about how humans get their meat

I doubt I go be vegetarian or vegan but I'm still a massive hypocrite and defend the cause

Jessica. 13-01-2018 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by armand.kay (Post 9791995)
How is it going? I never actually made a concerted effort to go vegan I kind of went a week with no meat or dairy and was woah that was easy. I wasn't really sure how long I would keep it up for but after watching a few vegan youtube channels and some documentaries it became more of an ethical decision and i've kept it up for over a year now.
It's good so far while I've been at home but tomorrow is going to be Day 6 and I'm going for lunch at my boyfriends parents house. I'm a bit worried because they don't really understand vegetarianism and I hope they don't lie to me by saying something doesn't have animal stuff I'm it when it does. :sad:

I have been watching lots of documentaries too, it really reinforces the true reason I want to do this and I actually haven't felt any urge to eat animals at all this week, so it should be easy if I can keep that up.

Jessica. 13-01-2018 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by lewis111 (Post 9792056)
You can't really think animals Being bred purely to be looked up them slaughtered is as natural as a lion or whatever killing an animal in the wild
There's nothing natural about how humans get their meat

I doubt I go be vegetarian or vegan but I'm still a massive hypocrite and defend the cause
Having the knowledge is still good, even if you haven't changed your lifestyle!

arista 13-01-2018 06:10 PM
Well Done Jess.

Kazanne 13-01-2018 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9792010)
How are they reducing the suffering of animals?

The same animals are being killed.
If we all thought like that Marsh,nothing would change, from little acorns mighty oaks grow,every little helps.

Jessica. 13-01-2018 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by arista (Post 9792068)
Well Done Jess.
Thank you, young man.

Livia 13-01-2018 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by y.winter (Post 9791880)
Doesn't suit you this kind of jokes Livia...

I was only mildly teasing her. I'm sure she didn't take offence. Can't believe I'm explaining myself over such a stupid joke.

Marsh. 13-01-2018 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by armand.kay (Post 9792030)
Theres not as much demand for meet and dairy because they're not having it as much as usual, if everybody in Britain decided to only eat meet once a day the meet industry would be shook. Its all about little changes that make a big difference.
Obviously if everyone in Britain did that it would be affected.

We're not talking about that though. What actual difference does some people being vegetarian make to the meat industry? Not a jot.

Marsh. 13-01-2018 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 9792070)
If we all thought like that Marsh,nothing would change, from little acorns mighty oaks grow,every little helps.
It doesn't though.

Humans enjoy meat and will continue to as they are naturally entitled to.

The way in which we get that meat may no longer be "natural" but there's all kinds of things that are no longer done naturally as in the past and are fundamentally a part of being human.

Everyone has the choice what they want to do what they don't want to do, and what they like to eat and what they don't like to eat. But let's not exaggerate.

Jessica. 13-01-2018 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9792154)
It doesn't though.

Humans enjoy meat and will continue to as they are naturally entitled to.

The way in which we get that meat may no longer be "natural" but there's all kinds of things that are no longer done naturally as in the past and are fundamentally a part of being human.

Everyone has the choice what they want to do what they don't want to do, and what they like to eat and what they don't like to eat. But let's not exaggerate.
One person making a change actually does make a difference and maybe that one person can inspire others to make a change too. I was inspired by someone much younger than me who it's way less easy for and here I am not eating animals just like her. Think about how many kilos of meat people eat in a month or year or decade? That's a lot of animals. And imagine one person stopped and then another who heard from them stopped etc.. That's less demand for the supply.

Kazanne 13-01-2018 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9792154)
It doesn't though.

Humans enjoy meat and will continue to as they are naturally entitled to.

The way in which we get that meat may no longer be "natural" but there's all kinds of things that are no longer done naturally as in the past and are fundamentally a part of being human.

Everyone has the choice what they want to do what they don't want to do, and what they like to eat and what they don't like to eat. But let's not exaggerate.
I don't think we are naturally entitalled to anything,we just take what we want ,not many really care about the consequences ,I mean look at the plastic in the ocean now killing the sealife.all that because we are entitalled? I dont think so.

y.winter 13-01-2018 07:36 PM
If people would've given up on many ideas just because "one person can't make a change", we wouldn't have progressed as a society like we do...

Human rights, general elections, revolutions, recycling - it comes in any aspect of life you could thing of. It doesn't do any wrong supporting good causes, so why look for excuses...

AnnieK 13-01-2018 07:51 PM
I was vegetarian as a kid....because my mum was. She actually got really poorly (she was badly anaemic due to another medical issue) and so after 10 years started eating meat again. I only really eat chicken and fish...no red meat but because I don't like the taste. I would love to give it a go again but working full time and having a 7 year old that has a million evening activities means that I cant be arsed cooking different things at dinner time and I really do believe kids need to eat meat to get a full balanced diet

y.winter 13-01-2018 08:05 PM
For the record, plant based diet is a balanced diet (from birth) and has been confirmed as such by the World Health Organization.
It's a mix of rooted misconception, poor nutrition education and old cultural conventions that keeps people clueless about handling a planet based diet.
I'm not sure why the "unbalanced diet" argument is always brought up, but people wouldn't even tackle this subject and won't even consider it as a concern, even in the slightest, when looking on the animal-based diet. Hospitals, obesity, diabetes, atherosclerosis - it's filled with people living on a so-called "balanced" diet that consists animal-based products.

caprimint 13-01-2018 08:28 PM
I don't like the "we were made to eat meat!" argument, I mean who says? And so what if that's true anyway? I'm sure there are many things that we should do but we don't because it's a personal preference, like who actually gives a ****

Marsh. 13-01-2018 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 9792192)
I don't think we are naturally entitalled to anything,we just take what we want ,not many really care about the consequences ,I mean look at the plastic in the ocean now killing the sealife.all that because we are entitalled? I dont think so.
Of course we are. There's a food chain for a reason. Some animals entire purpose is to provide food for other living creatures. :joker:

Poisoning the ocean with plastic is something else entirely. Stop arguing back with something completely irrelevant.

Marsh. 13-01-2018 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 9792381)
I don't like the "we were made to eat meat!" argument, I mean who says? And so what if that's true anyway? I'm sure there are many things that we should do but we don't because it's a personal preference, like who actually gives a ****
Personal preference is fine.

Using that personal preference to say "I'm doing what's right!" is something else.

Jessica. 13-01-2018 11:25 PM
Marsh, why are you so passionate about this? Nobody told you to stop eating meat. Also, watch a documentary, maybe. You could watch Rotten on Netflix or Earthlings.

armand.kay 14-01-2018 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9792150)
Obviously if everyone in Britain did that it would be affected.

We're not talking about that though. What actual difference does some people being vegetarian make to the meat industry? Not a jot.
More and more people are going veggie and its becoming less aline, the meat and dairy industry have had a sight decrease in profit, companies are now investing more into plant based alternative. I believe a difference is being made its just not gonna happen overnight.
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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9792154)
It doesn't though.

Humans enjoy meat and will continue to as they are naturally entitled to.

The way in which we get that meat may no longer be "natural" but there's all kinds of things that are no longer done naturally as in the past and are fundamentally a part of being human.

Everyone has the choice what they want to do what they don't want to do, and what they like to eat and what they don't like to eat. But let's not exaggerate.
Why are humans are entitled to enslave, abuse and slaughter other being? What gives us that right? Because we're smarter?

The way we get meat is not only unnatural its also heartless and immoral. People need to realise that when they choose to buy meat they're supporting the suffering that farm animals are put through and they're supporting the damage to the environment the meat and dairy industry is causing.

Jessica. 14-01-2018 12:56 AM
:sad: I feel worse for animals every day.

caprimint 14-01-2018 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9792442)
Personal preference is fine.

Using that personal preference to say "I'm doing what's right!" is something else.
Tbh from my experience I've heard more non-vegetarians/vegans say that :omgno:

Marsh. 14-01-2018 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by armand.kay (Post 9792835)
More and more people are going veggie and its becoming less aline, the meat and dairy industry have had a sight decrease in profit, companies are now investing more into plant based alternative. I believe a difference is being made its just not gonna happen overnight.


Why are humans are entitled to enslave, abuse and slaughter other being? What gives us that right? Because we're smarter?

The way we get meat is not only unnatural its also heartless and immoral. People need to realise that when they choose to buy meat they're supporting the suffering that farm animals are put through and they're supporting the damage to the environment the meat and dairy industry is causing.
No because that's nature. The food chain. :hee:

Some of the methods might have changed but meat eating itself is perfectly natural.

thesheriff443 14-01-2018 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9791784)
You can always tell a vegetarian, Jess. They're the ones who can't get the lid off the pickle jar.
Put a lid on it Livia

Marsh. 14-01-2018 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 9792896)
Put a lid on it Livia
As a meat eater, she's able to. :hehe:

Withano 14-01-2018 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by armand.kay (Post 9792030)
Theres not as much demand for meet and dairy because they're not having it as much as usual, if everybody in Britain decided to only eat meet once a day the meet industry would be shook. Its all about little changes that make a big difference.
I mean, sure. But that will effectively end the planet in a decade or less. Imagine how many hundred extra factories we'd need in Britain to make that processed pretend stuff.

Smithy 14-01-2018 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by armand.kay (Post 9792030)
Theres not as much demand for meet and dairy because they're not having it as much as usual, if everybody in Britain decided to only eat meet once a day the meet industry would be shook. Its all about little changes that make a big difference.
Meat, hunny, MEAT

armand.kay 14-01-2018 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9792888)
No because that's nature. The food chain. :hee:

Some of the methods might have changed but meat eating itself is perfectly natural.
So natural that the meat and dairy industry is one of the biggest causes of climate change, so natural that a lot of people who work in abattoirs are psychologically damaged?
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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9792959)
I mean, sure. But that will effectively end the planet in a decade or less. Imagine how many hundred extra factories we'd need in Britain to make that processed pretend stuff.
I can’t imagine that would do a better job at ending the planet than the meat and dairy industry.
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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 9793094)
Meat, hunny, MEAT
So vegan I can’t even bare to spell the word

Withano 14-01-2018 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by armand.kay (Post 9793200)

I can’t imagine that would do a better job at ending the planet than the meat and dairy industry.
65million people would need up to three factory-made meals a day, how does that sound better for the environment haha.

Marsh. 14-01-2018 12:11 PM
A lot of people who work in lots of places are psychologically damaged.

Usually it's to do with people doing jobs they're no good at. But you get that in most industries.

Marsh. 14-01-2018 12:13 PM
Yeah let's prevent climate change... By simply using the resources and energy elsewhere.

armand.kay 14-01-2018 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9793215)
65million people would need up to three factory-made meals a day, how does that sound better for the environment haha.
It is possible to be vegetarian or vegan without only eating factory made meals lol. Vegetables? carbs? I barely ever eat processed food. Eating meat 3 times a day every day is a fairly recent thing you have to look no further than to when our grand parents were children most people had meat once day if that. they weren't swamped with quorn factories then I'm sure it would be possible to return to eating like that without causing that.

With the amount of fresh water needed to produce mean, the amount of land and the amount CO2 it produces, I believe it would be very hard to cause anywhere near as much damage let alone more .

Jessica. 14-01-2018 12:27 PM
You might think it's natural to eat meat because you were raised on that idea, but not everything that's natural is the right way. Also, we are able to rationalise doing less harm and being less cruel. None can be 100% cruelty free in this day and age, but at least we can make a little bit of effort to do what we're able to. Right now, it's not convenient for me to stop eating animals, but I'm able to and that makes a difference to me and my conscience, as well as all of the animals I'm not going to eat. Am I wrong for this?

armand.kay 14-01-2018 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9793218)
A lot of people who work in lots of places are psychologically damaged.

Usually it's to do with people doing jobs they're no good at. But you get that in most industries.
Ah yes the disproportionate cases of PTSD in the office place!

Marsh. 14-01-2018 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by armand.kay (Post 9793237)
Ah yes the disproportionate cases of PTSD in the office place!
Who mentioned offices?

There are all kinds of unpleasant jobs that take a big toll on people. Some are suited and some aren't.

I just think your idealised vegetarian world is just that, idealised. :shrug:

Withano 14-01-2018 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by armand.kay (Post 9793233)
It is possible to be vegetarian or vegan without only eating factory made meals lol. Vegetables? carbs? I barely ever eat processed food. Eating meat 3 times a day every day is a fairly recent thing you have to look no further than to when our grand parents were children most people had meat once day if that. they weren't swamped with quorn factories then I'm sure it would be possible to return to eating like that without causing that.

With the amount of fresh water needed to produce mean, the amount of land and the amount CO2 it produces, I believe it would be very hard to cause anywhere near as much damage let alone more .
I can see the appeal in a country-full of people who grow their own crops in their garden, and cuddles cattle in their factory-free world because nobody is allowed quorn either.. but in reality, thats just not gonna happen, its the most unimaginable hypothetical discussion I've had for years, its not gonna be that easy to feed 65million three or four times a day, factory-made, mass-produced food is gonna need to exist, and thats the last thing the wildlife needs right now... and all the farm animals would die out anyway cos theyre pretty useless and easy prey and it would be nobodys job to look after them

AnnieK 14-01-2018 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 9793235)
You might think it's natural to eat meat because you were raised on that idea, but not everything that's natural is the right way. Also, we are able to rationalise doing less harm and being less cruel. None can be 100% cruelty free in this day and age, but at least we can make a little bit of effort to do what we're able to. Right now, it's not convenient for me to stop eating animals, but I'm able to and that makes a difference to me and my conscience, as well as all of the animals I'm not going to eat. Am I wrong for this?
Of course you're not wrong....it is your personal preference. Just as eating meat is other people's. As long as you are doing what is right for you, its not up to others to argue or criticise

Withano 14-01-2018 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 9793235)
You might think it's natural to eat meat because you were raised on that idea, but not everything that's natural is the right way.
Yeh, me, my parents, and their ancestors for the last 2 and a half million years before that were brought up on this idea.

(you are completely entitled to be veggie, obviously. It just wouldnt benefit the world if everybody was, actually it would be a complete hinderance to Earth imo)

armand.kay 14-01-2018 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9793241)
Who mentioned offices?

There are all kinds of unpleasant jobs that take a big toll on people. Some are suited and some aren't.

I just think your idealised vegetarian world is just that, idealised. :shrug:
I've never once said the whole world should be vegetarian, I've just criticised the meat industry and suggested that more people should consider going vegetarian/vegan and even meat eaters should eat less meat. If not for the animals then for the planet we all live on. Also like I said yesterday meat and dairy sails are declining and demand more vegan options is going up so maybe it's not so idealised :shrug:

armand.kay 14-01-2018 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9793246)
Yeh, me, my parents, and their ancestors for the last 2 and a half million years before that were brought up on this idea.

(you are completely entitled to be veggie, obviously. It just wouldnt benefit the world if everybody was, actually it would be a complete hinderance to Earth imo)
(I don't think the whole world should be vegetarian but we need to cut down on meat consumption and do something about the unethical practices of the meat industry thats all I've been trying to say in this thread.)


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