Andrew is an idiot and Ashley is just as stupid for encouraging him :bored:.

As if he needed Ann's "approval" & "advice" on something like that! :crazy: . And tbh he's lucky Ann Still spoke to him , if anything Andrew is the one who should be told to F off or P off I know I'd tell the creep that :laugh2:.

Why did he feel the need to open ask her permission? There was no need! He should hav asked his mate Shane.

That's fine, my main thing though was people blaming Ann and saying she was in the wrong and should be told to piss off because it embarrassed her and she told him that

So your argument against him is based on what? Rumours?

I never said Ann was in the wrong and needs to be told to piss off. I think no one as in the wrong. Andrew shouldn't have asked her, but she overreacted.

Exactly. Andrew hasn't bullied anyone in the house.

Why do you think just because he apologised that it's okay?? :joker: .
His apology was staged :sleep: . He slagged Ann down afterwards in the garden , he has no balls .

No I don’t agree with that he was definitely in the wrong but he probably didn’t imagine Ann would be that upset by it.

Of course it's OK. I don't see why not.

I agree with that.

OMG this debate is hilarious at the thought of Ann understandably being uncomfortable but being told to "piss off" :laugh2: :crazy: . Andrew is the tool that should be told to piss off .

Andrew didn't tell her to piss off.

Maybe, maybe not but I mean considering everyone has been very careful about what they say to Ann (in terms of vulgarity etc) I think he probably had a fair idea that she wouldn't like it

I don't think he expected her to kick off about it.

You think he thought she'd just be quietly embarrassed to herself instead then?

No but you want to :laugh3: just because she was uncomfortable .

No, because she overreacted massively.

I think it was over the top, yes.

:laugh3:

Andrew is as transparent as a window :bored: , he knows how outspoken and honest Ann is. She's not going to sit quietly while he disrespects her and I'm glad she told him off .

Because the men have to get looked after by the women...

which part of it? All she said was that she wasn't happy with him for deliberately trying to embarrass her, straight talking Ann

Does anybody actually care what he did in his school days though

It would have avoided any arguments and I doubt they would have got in trouble over it.

I don't think he did to to embarrass her, that's all.

Cop out excuse. Ann isn't the person to ask :nono: .

And why does he have a fascination with waxing his own bum all of a sudden!! .None of us want to see that :shocked: .

We all did things we regret in our past. No one is perfect?

I agree, not sure why he was so annoyed at Wayne breaking the nom rules (a) he was there when Wayne said it and (b) Wayne took the punishment

also his rant at Rachel about the government seems to be aimed at the youth left vote, he picked the wrong one to say get rid of the lot to..:hehe:

I also felt in his convo with Shane that he thinks Shane fancies him which I don't think is the case at all

Andrew is getting very confident in the house...his body language seems to show that he is top dog...the 'big man' in the house...the one most people..especially the lads seem to follow around. He thinks the women all love him.
I could believe a lot of what that guy posted.
I haven't liked Andrew from the offset...and now people are beginning to see what a massive 'tosser' he is..

But he was the same on the apprentice?

I think he thinks the women should all love him which is why he had a pop at Jess the other day, then blamed the older women for Jess not wanting to socialise more with him (them) and I also think he's annoyed that Ashley has gone for Ginuwine and not him either, basically none of the girls fancy him so now he's pushing Shane to say that he fancies him in order to keep his ego massaged, Shane J is no gullible fool though

I don't think he cares, to be honest. He's just there to have a laugh.

The Andrew/Ann situation....

Imagine a 27 year old man go up to your Nan/Grandma and discuss bum waxing?

Disgusting and disrespectful....that's why Andrew didn't get far on the Apprentice because he was rude and disrespectful and had no understanding on how to deal with people.

and not to put to fine a point on it, he was an arsehole on the apprentice too

I agree he can be very immature at times.

I'd say he was immature, just as he is now.

She didn't kick off and she told him in the garden when he was by himself not infront of any of the others to embarrass him.:hehe:

For me she overreacted. But that's just my opinion.

I don't think she did. If anything Ann was more composed than she could of been:nono: .

She still hugged him and talked to him, she could of stormed off calling him a vile twat :laugh2: but she didn't.

We will have to agree to disagree on this.

Queen of Class