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Alf 26-01-2018 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9822938)
Saying things like Christophobia is like saying heterophobia with a straight face, neither exist because both are the majority in their fields. A majority can never truly be discriminated against because they are the majority.

The 'Phobia umbrella' comment only seeks to undermine the fact that these problems still exist. Is Ann not comfortable around gay people? Yes. Has she voted against gay rights in the past? Yes. She IS a homophobe, she may not be out there hunting down gays and executing them but she does have a homophobic attitude.

Religion ultimately isn't an excuse for bigotry, especially with something like Christianity since the bible is FULL of contradictions, you cannot realistically follow all it's teachings, you have to pick and choose and people who choose to believe that homosexuality is wrong yet don't see an issue with wearing different kinds of materials or eating shellfish should not be protected by their religion.

Religion comes under the umbrella of Free Speech, she's allowed to be homophobic as long as it doesn't transcend into hate preaching or violence and people are allowed to criticise her and the religion she uses to justify her beliefs as long as they abide by the same rules she does.

You sound like you have a phobia of majority's? It's ok if you have, because people can't help having phobias.

Maybe you should address your own phobia before lecturing others on theirs?

montblanc 26-01-2018 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9822938)
Saying things like Christophobia is like saying heterophobia with a straight face, neither exist because both are the majority in their fields. A majority can never truly be discriminated against because they are the majority.

The 'Phobia umbrella' comment only seeks to undermine the fact that these problems still exist. Is Ann not comfortable around gay people? Yes. Has she voted against gay rights in the past? Yes. She IS a homophobe, she may not be out there hunting down gays and executing them but she does have a homophobic attitude.

Religion ultimately isn't an excuse for bigotry, especially with something like Christianity since the bible is FULL of contradictions, you cannot realistically follow all it's teachings, you have to pick and choose and people who choose to believe that homosexuality is wrong yet don't see an issue with wearing different kinds of materials or eating shellfish should not be protected by their religion.

Religion comes under the umbrella of Free Speech, she's allowed to be homophobic as long as it doesn't transcend into hate preaching or violence and people are allowed to criticise her and the religion she uses to justify her beliefs as long as they abide by the same rules she does.

well said :clap1:

Paula D 26-01-2018 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 9822892)
You think TIBB care about women's rights?

No, that's true. Funny how homosexuals expect women to back them in everything they do but don't give the same loyalty back.

Bones 26-01-2018 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by montblanc (Post 9823023)
well said :clap1:

brown noser.

chuff me dizzy 26-01-2018 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Paula D (Post 9823150)
No, that's true. Funny how homosexuals expect women to back them in everything they do but don't give the same loyalty back.

:clap1:

-Sue- 26-01-2018 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Paula D (Post 9823150)
No, that's true. Funny how homosexuals expect women to back them in everything they do but don't give the same loyalty back.

did you REALLY just tar everyone 'homosexual' with the same brush? sheesh shame on you! :nono:

reece(: 26-01-2018 01:47 PM

If it was a younger HM doing it, they'd be pulled up and warned

Alf 26-01-2018 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by reece(: (Post 9823168)
If it was a younger HM doing it, they'd be pulled up and warned

Doing what?

Kazanne 26-01-2018 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by reece(: (Post 9823168)
If it was a younger HM doing it, they'd be pulled up and warned

No they wouldn't as she's said nothing wrong,all this fuss because she feels uncomfortable having those two thrusting about and talking dirty simply to piss her off , I am so glad it has backfired and Andrew has his cards marked.

Lilac hills 26-01-2018 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9822938)
Saying things like Christophobia is like saying heterophobia with a straight face, neither exist because both are the majority in their fields. A majority can never truly be discriminated against because they are the majority.

The 'Phobia umbrella' comment only seeks to undermine the fact that these problems still exist. Is Ann not comfortable around gay people? Yes. Has she voted against gay rights in the past? Yes. She IS a homophobe, she may not be out there hunting down gays and executing them but she does have a homophobic attitude.

Religion ultimately isn't an excuse for bigotry, especially with something like Christianity since the bible is FULL of contradictions, you cannot realistically follow all it's teachings, you have to pick and choose and people who choose to believe that homosexuality is wrong yet don't see an issue with wearing different kinds of materials or eating shellfish should not be protected by their religion.

Religion comes under the umbrella of Free Speech, she's allowed to be homophobic as long as it doesn't transcend into hate preaching or violence and people are allowed to criticise her and the religion she uses to justify her beliefs as long as they abide by the same rules she does.

Lmao

-Sue- 26-01-2018 01:52 PM

Imagine if Bear had been in the house with Ann.. oooooooooooh!

chuff me dizzy 26-01-2018 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 9823179)
No they wouldn't as she's said nothing wrong,all this fuss because she feels uncomfortable having those two thrusting about and talking dirty simply to piss her off , I am so glad it has backfired and Andrew has his cards marked.

Oh so am I

-Sue- 26-01-2018 01:58 PM

I like andrews antics he and shane have made me chuckle lots this series (although also found the c bomb too much) I would have been angry too if someone had brought my family into a 'nomination' that was really a moment for 1 to 1 conversation.. which ann managed to do with ashley but in regards to andrew she just made it hugely public and awkward...

-Sue- 26-01-2018 01:58 PM

.. will i be sad to see andrew go? hmm not really i've had my fun :)

Kazanne 26-01-2018 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by -Sue- (Post 9823213)
I like andrews antics he and shane have made me chuckle lots this series (although also found the c bomb too much) I would have been angry too if someone had brought my family into a 'nomination' that was really a moment for 1 to 1 conversation.. which ann managed to do with ashley but in regards to andrew she just made it hugely public and awkward...

It got Isabell the win so fingers crossed for Ann:joker:

-Sue- 26-01-2018 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 9823215)
It got Isabell the win so fingers crossed for Ann:joker:

OMG that thing that needed a wallpaper scraper to get off her fake tan! the oompah loompah! lol

I still have nightmares about that lol :joker:

Kazanne 26-01-2018 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by -Sue- (Post 9823213)
I like andrews antics he and shane have made me chuckle lots this series (although also found the c bomb too much) I would have been angry too if someone had brought my family into a 'nomination' that was really a moment for 1 to 1 conversation.. which ann managed to do with ashley but in regards to andrew she just made it hugely public and awkward...

That's fine that you like filthy talk , disrespect to women , watching him having his arse waxed and duping his mate , upsetting your girlfriend and a guy who must stink like a chimney , and drops the C word to a lady , thankfully some of us are not entertained by it , hope he's out tonight

chuff me dizzy 26-01-2018 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 9823229)
That's fine that you like filthy talk , disrespect to women , watching him having his arse waxed and duping his mate , upsetting your girlfriend and a guy who must stink like a chimney , and drops the C word to a lady , thankfully some of us are not entertained by it , hope he's out tonight

:worship: I prefer to watch nice people

-Sue- 26-01-2018 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 9823229)
That's fine that you like filthy talk , disrespect to women , watching him having his arse waxed and duping his mate , upsetting your girlfriend and a guy who must stink like a chimney , and drops the C word to a lady , thankfully some of us are not entertained by it , hope he's out tonight

'(although also found the c bomb too much)' :shrug: keep up kiddo ;)

^^ said that in my post or did you skip that bit? :shrug:

Kazanne 26-01-2018 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by -Sue- (Post 9823243)
'(although also found the c bomb too much)' :shrug: keep up kiddo ;)

^^ said that in my post or did you skip that bit? :shrug:

I read it ,you only found the C bomb too much,:joker: keep up have you been watching it? his breathing is too much.

Kazanne 26-01-2018 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by -Sue- (Post 9823224)
OMG that thing that needed a wallpaper scraper to get off her fake tan! the oompah loompah! lol

I still have nightmares about that lol :joker:

Why call her a thing ? and oompah loompa ? she actually turned out to be a nice girl as much as I judged her when she first went in, maybe you are tanophobic:laugh:

-Sue- 26-01-2018 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 9823245)
I read it ,you only found the C bomb too much,:joker: keep up have you been watching it? his breathing is too much.

I do so hate it when people's only response to my opinion is 'do you watch?' it gets old

anyway moving swiftly on really hope you enjoy the show tonight got all snacks etc in? who do you want out the most? :D (1st 2 I can guess) lol

-Sue- 26-01-2018 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 9823251)
Why call her a thing ? and oompah loompa ? she actually turned out to be a nice girl as much as I judged her when she first went in, maybe you are tanophobic:laugh:


LOL Tanophobic lol yes I think I might be .. I may need to start a 'when tanning goes to far support group' lol sponsored by Dulux white paint ;) :joker:

Tom4784 26-01-2018 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf (Post 9823004)
You sound like you have a phobia of majority's? It's ok if you have, because people can't help having phobias.

Maybe you should address your own phobia before lecturing others on theirs?

That doesn't exist, Alfie.

Robertocarlo 26-01-2018 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Lilbro (Post 9821489)
To be fair, Shandrew has made me homophobic

Thanks for that comment. As a Gay man, now aged 64, who has had to go through my young adulthood in the closet because of 'homophobes', it saddens me just how many people are (a) accepting of an out and out bigot and homophobe, i.e. Ann; and (b) are willing to identify themselves as 'homophobic'.

I wonder if you have any concept of just how bad it was being treated as a second class citizen. The prudity and simmering homophobia of this current generation really does frighten me.

poppsywoppsy 26-01-2018 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Robertocarlo (Post 9823343)
Thanks for that comment. As a Gay man, now aged 64, who has had to go through my young adulthood in the closet because of 'homophobes', it saddens me just how many people are (a) accepting of an out and out bigot and homophobe, i.e. Ann; and (b) are willing to identify themselves as 'homophobic'.

I wonder if you have any concept of just how bad it was being treated as a second class citizen. The prudity and simmering homophobia of this current generation really does frighten me.

Well you must be pleased that the sands of opinion have shifted and now there seems to be an about turn on homophobia sometimes to the extent of a witch Hunt as in the John Barnes debacle.

Gays are not the only second class citizens in this world, women have been in the past, ageism is rife especially in younger generations, immigration etc etc, many other groups so please do not class yourself as the only victims. Yes, they do have a concept too.

Robertocarlo 26-01-2018 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy (Post 9823438)
Well you must be pleased that the sands of opinion have shifted and now there seems to be an about turn on homophobia sometimes to the extent of a witch Hunt as in the John Barnes debacle.

Gays are not the only second class citizens in this world, women have been in the past, ageism is rife especially in younger generations, immigration etc etc, many other groups so please do not class yourself as the only victims. Yes, they do have a concept too.

Nowhere have I said I believe LGBT rights to be the only victims? We are but one of many when it comes to equality. As this all stems from Ann's bigotry and homophobia towards Andrew and Courtney naturally that's why I made my comments against it.

Paula D 26-01-2018 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Robertocarlo (Post 9823467)
Nowhere have I said I believe LGBT rights to be the only victims? We are but one of many when it comes to equality. As this all stems from Ann's bigotry and homophobia towards Andrew and Courtney naturally that's why I made my comments against it.

Again, you are the very definition of a bigot:

bigot


/ˈbɪɡət/


noun

noun: bigot; plural noun: bigots




a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
"don't let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city"


synonyms: dogmatist, partisan, sectarian, prejudiced person; More

Robertocarlo 26-01-2018 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Paula D (Post 9823479)
Again, you are the very definition of a bigot:

bigot


/ˈbɪɡət/


noun

noun: bigot; plural noun: bigots




a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
"don't let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city"


synonyms: dogmatist, partisan, sectarian, prejudiced person; More

Well, if I am to be labelled a 'bigot' for calling Ann out on her vile views of Gay people; For having voted in Parliament at every opportunity against any LGBT rights in England and Wales; for trying to deny my right to equal marriage; for denying a woman's right to have an abortion; for happily ensuring that women prisoners giving birth be chained to their beds when she was Prisons Minister; then bring it on. I'll happily wear that 'bigot' label for you!

poppsywoppsy 26-01-2018 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Robertocarlo (Post 9823467)
Nowhere have I said I believe LGBT rights to be the only victims? We are but one of many when it comes to equality. As this all stems from Ann's bigotry and homophobia towards Andrew and Courtney naturally that's why I made my comments against it.

Yet Ann has been called just as many revolting things on here or are you missing them out.

Bones 26-01-2018 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9823289)
That doesn't exist, Alfie.

Yes it does.

Paula D 26-01-2018 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Robertocarlo (Post 9823499)
Well, if I am to be labelled a 'bigot' for calling Ann out on her vile views of Gay people; For having voted in Parliament at every opportunity against any LGBT rights in England and Wales; for trying to deny my right to equal marriage; for denying a woman's right to have an abortion; for happily ensuring that women prisoners giving birth be chained to their beds when she was Prisons Minister; then bring it on. I'll happily wear that 'bigot' label for you!

Grand so.

Robertocarlo 26-01-2018 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy (Post 9823503)
Yet Ann has been just as many revolting things on here or are you missing them out.

:conf: :conf: :conf: :conf:

Robodog 26-01-2018 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9822938)
1. Saying things like Christophobia is like saying heterophobia with a straight face, neither exist because both are the majority in their fields.

2. A majority can never truly be discriminated against because they are the majority.

1. Christophobia very much exists. Approx 3000 christians were killed for their faith, in 2017 alone.

This is very real and equally as serious as any other type of persecution.



2. "A majority can never truly be discriminated against because they are the majority."

Discrimination is discrimination.
No matter what the population 'majority/minority' statistics are.
You don't hurt any more or less, according to the number of people in the area who fit your 'type'.

To say that one group of people can be victims and another group can't be victims - that is discriminating in itself.

Who decides these 'groups' anyway?

We are all individuals, with our individual experiences.
We are all a minority - of one.
And as individuals, we stand equal. That's the whole point of equality, a level playing field of individuals.

It's not equality when you start to segregate people off into groups or 'types', and then 'rate' those 'types' according to your world view: putting one 'type' above the other.
It's exactly what racists do: see people not as individuals, but as 'types' and then rate them according to their world view.
We have to be careful not to fall into the same trap of segregating and judging people by our own stereotypical 'types', even if we do mean well.

The individuals of the majority have the same equal rights as the individuals of the minority - or what's the point?

.

Marsh. 26-01-2018 03:41 PM

Apparently, she can get away with it because she's old and because she's religious.

Two things that apparently mean you can be bigoted and not have to be called out on it.

chuff me dizzy 26-01-2018 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Robodog (Post 9823514)
1. Christophobia very much exists. Approx 3000 christians were killed for their faith, in 2017 alone.

This is very real and equally as serious as any other type of persecution.



2. "A majority can never truly be discriminated against because they are the majority."

Discrimination is discrimination.
No matter what the population 'majority/minority' statistics are.
You don't hurt any more or less, according to the number of people in the area who fit your 'type'.

To say that one group of people can be victims and another group can't be victims - that is discriminating in itself.

Who decides these 'groups' anyway?

We are all individuals, with our individual experiences.
We are all a minority - of one.
And as individuals, we stand equal. That's the whole point of equality, a level playing field of individuals.

It's not equality when you start to segregate people off into groups or 'types', and then 'rate' those 'types' according to your world view: putting one 'type' above the other.
It's exactly what racists do: see people not as individuals, but as 'types' and then rate them according to their world view.
We have to be careful not to fall into the same trap of segregating and judging people by our own stereotypical 'types', even if we do mean well.

The individuals of the majority have the same equal rights as the individuals of the minority - or what's the point?

.

Once again an excellent comment

montblanc 26-01-2018 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9823519)
Apparently, she can get away with it because she's old and because she's religious.

Two things that apparently mean you can be bigoted and not have to be called out on it.

tea

chuff me dizzy 26-01-2018 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Paula D (Post 9823479)
Again, you are the very definition of a bigot:

bigot


/ˈbɪɡət/


noun

noun: bigot; plural noun: bigots




a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.
"don't let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city"


synonyms: dogmatist, partisan, sectarian, prejudiced person; More

:clap1: Only "their cause" counts !

smudgie 26-01-2018 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9822938)
Saying things like Christophobia is like saying heterophobia with a straight face, neither exist because both are the majority in their fields. A majority can never truly be discriminated against because they are the majority.

The 'Phobia umbrella' comment only seeks to undermine the fact that these problems still exist. Is Ann not comfortable around gay people? Yes. Has she voted against gay rights in the past? Yes. She IS a homophobe, she may not be out there hunting down gays and executing them but she does have a homophobic attitude.

Religion ultimately isn't an excuse for bigotry, especially with something like Christianity since the bible is FULL of contradictions, you cannot realistically follow all it's teachings, you have to pick and choose and people who choose to believe that homosexuality is wrong yet don't see an issue with wearing different kinds of materials or eating shellfish should not be protected by their religion.

Religion comes under the umbrella of Free Speech, she's allowed to be homophobic as long as it doesn't transcend into hate preaching or violence and people are allowed to criticise her and the religion she uses to justify her beliefs as long as they abide by the same rules she does.

So maybe Withano was correct when he said that there could be a scale of homophobia.
My reason for asking about Christphobia was just an example.
It seems everything can be phobic nowadays so was wondering if that would be valid.
Perhaps the difference is one is a phobia and the other is an intolerance.
Live and let live I say, personally I can't see why anybody should be judged on their race or sexual preferences.

poppsywoppsy 26-01-2018 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Robertocarlo (Post 9823510)
:conf: :conf: :conf: :conf:

Obviously, you have.

Previous post amended.


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