..it just feels with ShaneJ that if he speaks about things that are important to him and a big part of his life..it’s all me, me, me and hush up will you..but if he ‘assumes’ to speak and represent a wider community beyond the me, me, me thoughts..it’s how very dare you, just speak for yourself really ...so can’t really do right for doing wrong...:laugh:...

Did you watch last night's show ??? :facepalm: , all he did was bitch about Ann as he tried planting seeds of doubt in other hm's heads about her . Why were Him & Malika trying to force Wayne to confront Ann ?? :suspect: .

Shane J is fighting an imaginary battle in his head and he's losing :crazy:, only Malika his fellow mean girl is on his side. The other hm's don't have time for arguments and repetitive BS .

Shane J needs to wake up and smell the coffee, he's not the only one who's had struggles or who's faced problems. And why did he bring up the abortion argument !! he's literally attacking all Ann's views for the sake of it .

...indeed I did watch it, GoldHeart...my thoughts are about the ‘representation of the gay community’, which is the thread title and OP...not about bitching or any other aspect, that’s all kind of another thing...but no, I didn’t agree in regards to ‘bitching’ with Malika or his approach to Wayne...but then I also didn’t agree with Amanda and what she ‘threw at’ him either ...I didn’t see any ‘right’ in either of them with some aspects...it’s obvious that Shane has allowed Ann to get under his skin as it were which so often sadly happens in that confined environment...

I agree with you that Shane has been bitching about Ann, and I admire Amanda for showing the loyalty to defend Ann when she wasn't there to defend herself. She did sound as if she had built up a lot of resentment about Shane's actions and let it all pour out last night. There was just something about the way she did it that I found uncomfortable.

So what are you saying here, that Amanda and Wayne have to go out and preach the gospel of the LBGT or they aren't valid in some way? Do you not see how ridiculous that is? And frankly it smacks of bullying.

Your right there Chuff I loved it good for the three of them.

No. They can sit back and chill and reap all the awards of the work other people have put in for them. That’s fine. But just don’t get angry and defencive when people call you out for your support of a woman who in the past has tried her hardest to make sure your rights are less than other people’s.

You could say that about just about any group, not everyone is going to be politically active, or go on marchs or whatever, they have the right to live their lives as they please, Shane J is trying to ram his views down their throats, it is not a good look.

He is just frustrated watching to “gay” people ally themselves to someone with Anne’s views. Watch the episode again if you need to. He never once incited any kind of bullying. He was simply discussing Anne and her repugnanct views. I really don’t think people understand thenunderlining evil in this woman. **** her age. She’s a ****. Andrew was right.

Which is why I said that’s fine. Not everyone is an activist. I understand that.

so because they are not interested politically and just want to live their lives the way they want to, they must be abused for not having a row, I really don't get your thinking at all

That is not his call to make, to badger other people into his way of thinking, personally I think he is doing it for his own promotion rather than anything else but we can agree to disagree on that

I love to watch the show everyone else seemed to have watched last night. The show where Shane got angry, raised his voice, incited any kind of bullying or name calling..

He answered some questions on a subject he feels strongly about. He quoted some facts about a member of the house.

He was shouted at. Repeatedly. And not giving any room to respond.

So are you saying a Tory supporter cant be friends with a Labour supporter as their views are very different :shrug:

Loved what Amanda said. Don't see any problem with it. ShaneJ needs to stop forcing his opinions down people's throats and expecting people to react or back him. Amanda loves Ann for who she is, not what she believes in. She made that very clear. And Ann is entitled to those beliefs. So what. She does not have to agree to gay marriage. They didn't arrest/imprison everyone who opposed it when the vote went out y'know!

She is a staunch catholic - and I imagine most of her opinions come from the church. They have opposed abortion and gay marriage. Who the f' are we to tell them they can't believe what they choose to believe. (For the record, yes, I do think they're wrong - but why are my views superior to theirs?) I respect what others want/choose to believe. Gay anything - let alone marriage - was illegal in Ann's day. In fact, it was illegal in my bloody day (in Scotland - until 1980!!! Nineteen effin' eighty! The '80s feels like yesterday to me!). I don't believe it makes Ann homophobic.

Amanda to win. It's refreshing.

If their views include the removal of basic rights of a group of people then yes.

If my family (some of whom live in the US) started supporting Trump I would distance myself. Not before doing my best to convince them otherwise.

People are nothing if not their views. And Anne's views make her textbook homophobic. Whether she has some little pet gay friends of not.

If she was homophobic she would not want to mix with gay people. No? Wouldn't she just be avoiding them?

Didn't know there was a textbook on it :hehe:

..I think what Shane J was trying to convey is that it’s only politics/legislation that has enabled some to be able to have the equality to live their lives how they want to...ok, he might have not expressed that in the best of ways but I feel his frustration also about something that’s been essential to the living of some lives...

There are lots of text books on civil rights my friend. Children are taught about Stonewall in school. My 13 year old nephew learnt about it just last year.

And homophobia can be many things. One being exactly what Anne tried to do as a politician which was the removal that of basic human rights of a person based on their sexuality. Which are views she stands by and defends to this day.

Okay I'm done, you would disown your family for their political views, yet you want full acceptance for yours :facepalm:

Great post :wavey:

Wasn't talking about civil rights - was talking about 'textbook on homophobia'.

In what way did Ann try to remove the basic human rights of a person based on their sexuality? By not approving gay marriage? Why is she not entitled to believe that? Like I said - a lot of her reasoning is because of her religion, and the fact those who opposed it have NOT all been jailed.

As for disowning family because they share different (MAJORITY actually I hasten to add!) views to you, well, that's your prerogative. Sounds very controlling and like a dictatorship to me though! Wasn't that how Hitler started...?

Sounds about right yeah. :blush:

Her religion should have had nothing to do with her political stance. And if it did she should never have been in politics.

And in the extreme surcumstance thst my family would support someone like Trump then i think as a gay man I’d have every right to disown them.

makes no sense whatsever

You have lost all credibility.

Was in response to the Trump comment. What is it you're confused about.

I don't see how someone can say 'you have to have the same views as me or I'll disown you'. Trump was voted in by a majority.

It's like the people on FB who say 'if you didn't vote for Corbyn, I'm deleting you off my FB friends list'.

Not exactly democratic, is it. Sounds very much like a dictatorship to me.

I mean luvjustins views made no sense at all :laugh:

That’s is nothing like a dictorership. Literally nothing.

It’s just people saying I don’t want to associate myself with people with very strongly different views than myself.

Gotcha :hee:

Err, okay lol. I think you just hung yourself mate.

Please explain to me exactly how I did that.

Try to be articulate.

Shane js a disgrace to them too.

People might have voted Trump because they didn't like Hillary, or they might be lifelong Republican voters who don't pay attention to the party leaders, or they might just have found him funny on the Apprentice and not care about politics, or they might have bought the daft yarn spun about how Hillary was sick and dying.

To just say NOPE IM DONE WITH YOU over something as nuanced as voting habits is a bit ... silly

If I choose to write with a London accent, so be it. Stop dictating. You're coming across very patronising and preachy! I didn't pull you up on a spelling mistake so don't tell me to be articulate.

You obviously cannot see that your comment which I quoted was contradicting what you're saying, so be it. I am not here to explain further to you if you're confused. Bored now.

I do think it's people like yourself that do the gay community a great dis service.Sorry but you are too aggressive and closeminded,you are telling people what they should think and do,it will never work,you are dictating.I wont be responding to you again

It works. It’s the only thing that does.

It works to do what?

So please do tell, who's mind have you changed by screaming and shouting?

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