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[Syria airstrikes: Jeremy Corbyn hits out at 'legally questionable' military action
The Labour leader criticises Theresa May for not seeking parliamentary approval and says "bombs won't save lives or bring peace".] https://news.sky.com/story/syria-air...ction-11330060 Correct JC but it was a 4AM Saturday Syria Time Attack led by America Not Tuesday a day after Parliament opens up. |
Every effort has been made to sort this out with talks, it's Russia that's has blocked independent teams going into Syria to look for evidence into the use of nerve gas.
Nerve gas has been banned and it's use illegal for nearly s century. |
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Infact not blocked by their own ideas, that not many others in UN would agree. |
Meanwhile The Russian and the Syrian Planes
will continue Normal air bombs today killing all ISIS but also all innocents , near them. Including Children. Best is to move out let ISIS remain alone. |
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Such an attack shouldn't have happened without approval from Parliament and Congress, this is the kind of attack that could so easily incite World War 3.
Have we not learned from our previous wars in the Middle East that nothing good comes from meddling in that region? |
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Dezzy No one died it was attacking Empty Chemical Building Plants. 4AM Syria time Russia was made aware of these attacks France , UK and the Leader USA have not started WW3. WW3 will start with other nations , I SAY. |
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I wish I could say I was exaggerating with the latter. There aren't signs yet that the cultural bonds there have been disintegrated that far... but long-term it is a concern, as the divide and fractures continue to accumulate, that we aren't then doing things to reverse this process... and I do feel that a war, especially a badly executed PR mission, could be a genuine block on those cultural tensions between Americans being able to release and recede... I think we had entered into Syria too late. I think the timing is a bit poor, but it doesn't mean we don't have options... and if it is limited to strikes and diplomacy, it may very well do some good in the region. What can't continue is allowing Russia to push our leadership around and to have their way throughout across the world. NK and Iran are also an issue that will need to be dealt with over time, and if this strike creates further incentive to work with us rather than against us... then I think that some military action may not only be in order, but necessary to keep all parties invested in peace... |
let's take a little look back to the last few years.
Syria used chemical weapons, we tried countless times to get UN inspectors in, but this was vetoed by the russians SIX TIMES. When we did put sufficient pressure on to get things done, it was Russia that brokered the deal "removing" the chemical weapons. Here we are now in the present day, and chemical weapons have been used again.Death from chemical weapons is horrific. It is unnecessarily cruel. To sit back and do nothing just because Russia says piss off, is to capitulate globally because having done it once and not faced consequences, they will just do it again, and again and again. We can't just sit there and take this type of thing and surrender to what is a bully |
It should’ve gone to parliament, Miss May is getting trigger happy
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Its a one off. The PM appears to get away with it, maybe due to France and the Leader USA. Monday Afternoon she will be ready for Parliament. 2022 The General Election she even wants to hang on for that? |
Nicola said that parliament should decide things like this not the American President
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Yes fair point |
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https://www.indy100.com/article/peop...n-2016-8304756 |
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Corbyn will be rubbing his hands with glee,any opportunity to have a go at May and he is there like a ferret up a trouser leg, he just wants to come across as caring and peaceful,yeah right.
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France issues report detailing evidence of Assad role in chemical attacks
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Solid logic there. |
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Whereas in US, at least this time round, it's the right wing, Trump supporters who are unhappy with the Syria strikes. Fox News, Braitbart etc take a very critical view of Trump getting involved there. |
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Talking to the likes of Assad or Putin won’t work, it hasn’t so far as they simply shows defiance in response. Attacking people with chemical weapons is inexcusable and something the West has to be involved in for everyone’s sake. If some dictators are seen to be getting away with it some other dictator will try it on too. The implication some try to make that the left care more than the right is ridiculous as self-preservation could be the motive either way - it is definitely not an indication they are morally superior. Pretty sick of the impression some try to give - tantamount to patting each other on the back and saying what a good boy/girl am I. |
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I think the media platforms themselves are playing their cards closer to their chest (for now), as they were somewhat subdued during live coverage when they were discussing the strikes. (CNN though wouldn't shut up about Trump's tweets :laugh:) Fox News seemed to be level-headed/supportive of those strikes that night. However, I think no one wants to be seen as warmongering, and who can really blame them after the public's sharp reversal during the Iraq War. That was partially how we ended up with Obama in office, because he ran completely counter to Bush's foreign policy... it's what propelled him to top of the Democrat ticket and his anti-war policies were a big deal for his base. Now Trump staunchest supporters, yes, they're irritated because he's backed away from a lot of his campaign promises. One of those included us being pulled out of major military operations abroad and focusing on domestic. His reversal on gun control and his waffling on immigration is still stinging for other folk as well... I think Breitbart may have fit those shoes, given they were the unofficial Trump news platform before the election and were on board with his then policies... and perhaps they still feel they are the "direct line" to his base. |
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People seem to be concerned about this as it may escalate things into a bigger issue. That's simply not the case. If Putin wants to escalate things, he will do so (and has been doing so in the recent past). He doesn't need a reason. Putin is someone who has killed more of his own people than any foreign country, so a couple of missiles fired that had no impact on his country is meaningless. How people can forget so quickly incidents like the dutch civilian jet that was shot down by Russian forces killing hundreds is scary. We should never back down to Putin.
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There has always been a strand of the right in both countries which doesn't like foreign intervention, mainly those on the libertarian wing. The hard left have a world view which is generally anti-Western which they phrase as 'anti-colional' or 'anti-Imperialist' which leads them to oppose pretty much every military action no matter the circumstances. The centre-left are a bit more favourable to it as we had with Blair and as they have in France with Macron and Hollande before him.
I don't really want us to get involved because this is how major conflicts start - one incident in a far off country which we have no direct involvement with but affects the global balance of power. I do accept that in the case of chemical weapons we do have a bit of responsibility though |
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Her whole campaign was basically just Corbyn slander to the extent that people didn’t even know her policies. |
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Why the left is antiwar? I think what MTVN says about being anti-imperialist and anti-colonialist is important. The left also draws on socialist ideals which tend to be very internationalist, i.e. looking for common ground with others first, and claiming that wars are usually lose-lose situations. Downside to these admirable principles is that the left may (and often is) seen as weak on defence and security. |
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This tweet made me feel quite a bit emotional... Sarah Huckabee Sanders Clarifies Syria ‘Situation Room’ Photo http://www.newsweek.com/sarah-huckab...d-trump-886464 I don't know, just seemed kind of Kim Jong Un-ish. "Lookz at our mad war skillz y'all"... My concern though is if we do a full pull out, it may inevitably hand Syria to Russia to take control/wreak havoc in that region. Assad be damned. Also very interesting bit from your article... Quote:
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The thing is, Maru, Syria has always been in the Russian sphere of influence. Putin is trying to hold on to it, like in old good communist empire times. He won't be chased off. He seems to be determined to reclaim as much former "glory" as possible, e.g. spoiling the west influence in Ukraine, war with Georgia, grabbing back Crimea, destabilizing the west by covert means so that he can divide and rule. He discovered Russia doesn't have to compete economically. It can make mischief.
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