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ethanjames 26-07-2018 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10109172)
Kids will be wanting to blackface next fgs.

just wondering how is this similar in any regards? a non threatening art form shouldn't be compared to an incredibly racist act

glibberglobber 26-07-2018 03:46 PM

Good on that headteacher :clap:

Ammi 26-07-2018 03:49 PM

..I wonder if all of the other parents of children in the talent contest have failed them as well and whether all of those other children will get ridiculed and bullied for their acts...his act was no different from any other child’s, it was agreed and rehearsed with support of the staff apparently until the day before when the head had a list of the acts...why would someone have failed their child because their act was drag as opposed to singing or a comedy act or whatever...all of the acts create an opportunity to showcase something a pupil loves to do and has interest in...none with any difference to the other...

Beso 26-07-2018 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ethanjames (Post 10109223)
just wondering how is this similar in any regards? a non threatening art form shouldn't be compared to an incredibly racist act

Whats racist about dressing up as eddie murphy or some othe black entertainer? As long as you aint negatively stereotyping them, surely its ok to impersonate them by applying some make up and rehearse for weeks with your step dad?..

Or would it be ok for this kid to have blacked up shoved some pillows up his shirt and down his tights to impersonate that massively fat black drag act?

Crimson Dynamo 26-07-2018 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10109264)
Whats racist about dressing up as eddie murphy or some othe black entertainer? As long as you aint negatively stereotyping them, surely its ok to impersonate them by applying some make up and rehearse for weeks with your step dad?..

Or would it be ok for this kid to have blacked up shoved some pillows up his shirt and down his tights to impersonate that massively fat black drag act?

great point parmy

Nicky91 26-07-2018 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10109264)
Whats racist about dressing up as eddie murphy or some othe black entertainer? As long as you aint negatively stereotyping them, surely its ok to impersonate them by applying some make up and rehearse for weeks with your step dad?..

Or would it be ok for this kid to have blacked up shoved some pillows up his shirt and down his tights to impersonate that massively fat black drag act?

maybe impersonating them just because they are their idols

Beso 26-07-2018 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicky91 (Post 10109275)
maybe impersonating them just because they are their idols

Yeah...like i do with bob marley at parties.

Nicky91 26-07-2018 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10109280)
Yeah...like i do with bob marley at parties.

wow yes i also like reggae music

armand.kay 26-07-2018 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10109264)
Whats racist about dressing up as eddie murphy or some othe black entertainer? As long as you aint negatively stereotyping them, surely its ok to impersonate them by applying some make up and rehearse for weeks with your step dad?..

Or would it be ok for this kid to have blacked up shoved some pillows up his shirt and down his tights to impersonate that massively fat black drag act?

no that would not be ok lol.

Also it is possible to dress up as a black person without blackening your skin. A good example is Miley Cyrus's Lil Kim costume

Kazanne 26-07-2018 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam. (Post 10109114)
Would you all want a girl to do a strip dance??? Sexualized stuff has no place in schools

Totally agree Adam,kids are already sexualised far too much,just let them be kids at school ,they will have enough of that sort of stuff shoved in their faces when they are older.

Tom4784 26-07-2018 04:08 PM

Trying to justify blackface with drag.... Good grief.

The two aren't comparable and it's grim and a bit indicative of the direction of SD that it's even been suggested with a straight face.

Blackface is racist and offensive because the act of it is meant to be demeaning towards a whole race. Embodying a drag persona and lipsyncing on a stage to Carly Rae Jepsen is not an attack on anyone and it's something that's been embodied by people of all races and creeds, you've even got bioqueens who are female drag queens.

Crimson Dynamo 26-07-2018 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10109304)
Totally agree Adam,kids are already sexualised far too much,just let them be kids at school ,they will have enough of that sort of stuff shoved in their faces when they are older.

Yes Kaz its a victory for common sense and decency and the school should be rightly applauded. I note all the DM top comments are in support of this brave school.

Tom4784 26-07-2018 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10109304)
Totally agree Adam,kids are already sexualised far too much,just let them be kids at school ,they will have enough of that sort of stuff shoved in their faces when they are older.

Why do you think that this drag performance was canned for being sexualised when it got the okay from the teachers for weeks beforehand?

Beso 26-07-2018 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10109307)
Trying to justify blackface with drag.... Good grief.

The two aren't comparable and it's grim and a bit indicative of the direction of SD that it's even been suggested with a straight face.

Blackface is racist and offensive because the act of it is meant to be demeaning towards a whole race. Embodying a drag persona and lipsyncing on a stage to Carly Rae Jepsen is not an attack on anyone and it's something that's been embodied by people of all races and creeds, you've even got bioqueens who are female drag queens.

Blackfacing is only racist if negative stereotyping is used in the act..

So if you just sing or act like the act you are impersonating, just like this kid was doing then the 2 are exactly the same..so you either allow both or deny both..thats how i see it.:shrug:

Beso 26-07-2018 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by armand.kay (Post 10109301)
no that would not be ok lol.

Also it is possible to dress up as a black person without blackening your skin. A good example is Miley Cyrus's Lil Kim costume

If i saw that i would just see a woman in a dress:shrug:

Matthew. 26-07-2018 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10109320)
Blackfacing is only racist if

incorrect before the point is even made.

armand.kay 26-07-2018 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10109327)
If i saw that i would just see a woman in a dress:shrug:

you mean to tell me that if you knew who lil kim was and how iconic this look was you would be able to tell who she's dressed as because she hasn't lathered on some ****ty tan
http://straightfromthea.com/wp-conte...ween-20131.png

Kazanne 26-07-2018 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10109320)
Blackfacing is only racist if negative stereotyping is used in the act..

So if you just sing or act like the act you are impersonating, just like this kid was doing then the 2 are exactly the same..so you either allow both or deny both..thats how i see it.:shrug:

I agree ,if it's for a show and there is no negative connotations they should be able to dress up or black up,or both. If it's ok for one to mimic ,it's ok for the other.

Tom4784 26-07-2018 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10109320)
Blackfacing is only racist if negative stereotyping is used in the act..

So if you just sing or act like the act you are impersonating, just like this kid was doing then the 2 are exactly the same..so you either allow both or deny both..thats how i see it.:shrug:

The act of blackface in itself is racist. There's no ifs or buts about it.

armand.kay 26-07-2018 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10109338)
I agree ,if it's for a show and there is no negative connotations they should be able to dress up or black up,or both. If it's ok for one to mimic ,it's ok for the other.

Are you seriously saying that you hold blackface and drag in the same regard?

Beso 26-07-2018 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10109341)
The act of blackface in itself is racist. There's no ifs or buts about it.

I dont mean the whole burnt cork etc..but using make up and wigs...thats not racist.

ethanjames 26-07-2018 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10109264)
Whats racist about dressing up as eddie murphy or some othe black entertainer? As long as you aint negatively stereotyping them, surely its ok to impersonate them by applying some make up and rehearse for weeks with your step dad?..

Or would it be ok for this kid to have blacked up shoved some pillows up his shirt and down his tights to impersonate that massively fat black drag act?

black face is a racist act its not something to be compared no matter the context its racist due to its history drag isn't offensive... i don't see ur point

Beso 26-07-2018 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ethanjames (Post 10109351)
black face is a racist act its not something to be compared no matter the context its racist due to its history drag isn't offensive... i don't see ur point

Like i said..lets call it the modern blackfacing...you know, with wigs and make up and no stereotyping..

Tom4784 26-07-2018 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10109338)
I agree ,if it's for a show and there is no negative connotations they should be able to dress up or black up,or both. If it's ok for one to mimic ,it's ok for the other.

Wrong.

Blackface was not created to imitate black people, it was to ridicule them by turning them into caricatures both with racist stereotypes and appearances meant to dehumanise them.

The act of painting one's face black to imitate a black person can never be anything other than racist. To attempt to justify blackface is shocking.

Tom4784 26-07-2018 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10109357)
Like i said..lets call it the modern blackfacing...you know, with wigs and make up and no stereotyping..

Except to call it that would be a complete illogical falsity and a straight up lie.

Beso 26-07-2018 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10109361)
Except to call it that would be a complete illogical falsity and a straight up lie.

A wordsmith telling a man what words he can and cant use...omg..dezzy come on, gies peace mun....

Crimson Dynamo 26-07-2018 04:29 PM



Racist? No, our black-face dance is a proud tradition


The Britannia Coco-nut Dancers or Nutters are a troupe of Lancastrian clog dancers who perform every Easter in Bacup, dancing 7 miles (11 km) across the town. There are eight dancers and a whipper-in, who controls the proceedings.

Its an ancient English tradition still going on today :shrug:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...tradition.html

brings in tourism

Beso 26-07-2018 04:29 PM

Modern blackfacing where kids who dont judge by colour or sexuality can dress up with make up, wigs and frilly dresses cause they dont judge....


Whats wrong with that?

Tom4784 26-07-2018 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10109365)
A wordsmith telling a man what words he can and cant use...omg..dezzy come on, gies peace mun....

I'm not saying you can't say those words, people are entitled to be wrong just like others are entitled to tell them they are wrong.

I've explained before why blackface and drag can't be compared. Drag is inclusive, anyone can do drag and it's not at the expense of anyone. The act of blackface is inherently an attack on black people.

ethanjames 26-07-2018 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10109371)
I've explained before why blackface and drag can't be compared. Drag is inclusive, anyone can do drag and it's not at the expense of anyone. The act of blackface is inherently an attack on black people.

spill the tea

Beso 26-07-2018 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10109371)
I'm not saying you can't say those words, people are entitled to be wrong just like others are entitled to tell them they are wrong.

I've explained before why blackface and drag can't be compared. Drag is inclusive, anyone can do drag and it's not at the expense of anyone. The act of blackface is inherently an attack on black people.

So impersonating bob marley cause you love him is an attack on all like him....ohhhhhhkaaaaaay.

Tom4784 26-07-2018 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10109376)
So impersonating bob marley cause you love him us an attack on all like him.

If you paint your skin black, yes it is.

Beso 26-07-2018 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10109379)
If you paint your skin black, yes it is.

With make up and wig?

Beso 26-07-2018 04:34 PM

This kid was impersonating lil kim. He had make up on.

Crimson Dynamo 26-07-2018 04:34 PM

drag isnt inclusive

y'all want your own special section in the forum


:laugh2:

Tom4784 26-07-2018 04:37 PM

Love Island isn't inclusive.

It has it's own special section on the forum!

Crimson Dynamo 26-07-2018 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10109390)
Love Island isn't inclusive.

It has it's own special section on the forum!

its for all gays and straights with no taste in men/woman or tv shows

drag race, whether you admit it or not, is for The Gays only

Underscore 26-07-2018 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10109397)
its for all gays and straights with no taste in men/woman or tv shows

drag race, whether you admit it or not, is for The Gays only

Even when the majority of viewers are straight women?

RileyH 26-07-2018 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10109397)
its for all gays and straights with no taste in men/woman or tv shows

drag race, whether you admit it or not, is for The Gays only

I love it and I'm not gay :shrug:

Crimson Dynamo 26-07-2018 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Underscore (Post 10109399)
Even when the majority of viewers are straight women?

Can you back that up with specific viewing figure data?


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