Regardless of the country where is the evidence of trans attacking people on hospital wards.

Agree with this.

I think the issue here is that you're imagining some big burly bald bloke sat in a bed in a female ward saying "Wot of it luv? I'm a woman!" whilst aggressively gesturing at his penis and winking.

If someone can provide a real-world example of that or anything similar actually happening, rather than a bizarre concern that it COULD theoretically happen, then there's a discussion to be had. Until then it's frankly all just blind outrage about nothing.

This sounds like LT in a Carry On film. :joker:

well I mean this did blow up recent..

Wow I knew things were bad in the English NHS but I didn't know they had resorted to opening up wards in GameStop in the United States! That's surely the more pressing issue here.

That's nothing to do with hospitals though.

That said, it is ****ing hilarious, it's up there with that guy who worked in a vape store chimping out over nothing

Oh yeah transsexuals like that only exist in America of course, and don’t go to hospitals, they only go GameStop. I guess trans people in the UK have access to far more advanced forms of hormone treatment, yeah that’s it

First of all... my point was that the NEED for separate wards for gender doesnt exist...if Canada's free healthcare system can run this way...why not the NHS. There is no basic rights being violated by mixed wards.

Secondly, transitioning doesnt happen overnight. At what point would you like to declare they are transitioned? The surgery takes years of planning and meds previous and multiple surgeries... but because someone else might be "uncomfortable" with someone in transition being in a shared hospital room... that's taking the pale. They aren't at any higher risk of being violated by a transgender person than they are by any stranger of any gender sharing a room or ward with them.

You're comparing an extreme incident in a retail establishment to what is realistically happening in hospital wards. I can only assume because you have an agenda. Again, if you have an example of something like this happening in a hospital ward then there's something to discuss. If not then you're just adding to the pile of assumptions and bull**** media hysteria.

I'm sorry... this has what to do with a male to female transperson molesting women in a hospital?

I do laugh though. Just noticed the "MEN GET ACCESS" part of the title. As though female wards are under lock and key and a line of dribbling pervs have just been given special privileges.

And realistically, that risk is absolutely miniscule, even if there WERE hoards of men posing as women because they want to assault people. It logically fails on so many levels. First of all these people have to exist in any large number (which obviously they do not). Then they need to either somehow FAKE an illness or condition to get into a hospital ward, which is ludicrous, or perhaps just carry out an opportunistic sex attack whilst being ill enough to be a hospital inpatient :facepalm:.

But wait.

They also have to carry out that attack in a ward, which almost universally in the UK, have four beds per room and an open door to a staffed corridor.

And there's yet more!

The assumption is that these wards are otherwise secure. They are not. I could literally drive to the nearest hospital and walk onto a ward, for any gender, and into a room on that ward, at more or less any time, and no one would stop me.

But having transsexuals on the ward as patients? Far too dangerous!

I honestly don't think more than two seconds of snap reaction outrage goes into these opinions, it's such utter nonsense.

So... With all that in mind, it's pretty clear that the problem is not ACTUAL physical safety; it's about "safe space" and the perception / comfort of being safe (much like the women's toilets debate, with the bizarre logic that a man can't just walk into one at any time anyway).

And yes of course, everyone has the right to feel safe and comfortable, especially when ill. So what's making them feel unsafe? Is it the "presence of disguised penis"?

Or are they feeling nervous precisely because of the media hysteria, the bull****, the demonising, and people online winding each other up. Hmmm.

Indeed Merch, like I said in the last post, if someone desperately wants to assault women in a hospital they can just go to any hospital and walk in the door! The idea that you have to pose as a pre-op transexual to get onto a women's hospital ward is just... Well... It's just incorrect. If it's not a secure ward (and if it's not a psych ward, it's not a secure ward) then it's not restricted access! They don't even have set visiting hours any more.

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i think page 2 of the article and already in this thread!

and its not about anyone attacking anyone its about respect for the women. men and women are not the same

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You are the one talking about attacks which is not the main issue what about for cultural reasons reasons how do you shoehorn in the needs and rights of women to be separate on those occasions

What cultural reasons?

Wards are not private areas. They are open to countless people of both genders passing through day and night.

For modesty, they have screens, rooms and bathrooms. :shrug:

Looks like you done well in biology.

Can see your post turning the whole thread around? Not.

If you wrote that on paper it would be a waste of paper and ink.

I know there have been cuts in the nhs, but they are not making men and women share baths.

How many on here man or woman would leave the changing room door open in a stores fitting room.

Most fitting rooms I've been in have flimsy curtains.

True but Asda has doors, but even with a curtain, you still pull it, and I’ve never had anyone open the curtain while you are in there.

Me neither.

so you can't think of one culture where men and women are segregated, no?

what about the one where some women cover their hair and faces in public, are you honestly telling me that they will be lying in a hospital bed next to a man?

Now who is being petty

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I’m not being petty I’m taking the p1ss.

They would have to be moved to a side room or similar ,so costing the NHS more £$

Personally I wouldn't feel sharing a ward with anyone to be modest, also, there are male doctors and nurses, I wouldn't find being treated by a man any different to being in the same ward as one. It's just a man. The only reason a trans person, pre-op or post-op is going to be in the hospital is for a medical need. They're not going to be rubbing their hands together at the prospect of preying on someone at the hospital when they find out they have to get their gallbladder out.

Those kinds of people would have all kinds of issues with the set up of a Western hospital regardless of any possible gender divide.

Does it require an entire restructure of our hospitals? Not really.

You have completely missed the point, its self identication that is the issue and if you read the article their rights are more important than anyone elses as it stands, shouldn’t we all have the same rights? if I identify as a cat tomorrow can I go and stay in a cattery :hello: because that is how bonkers this is

Well not really.

You just compared gender to species.

Let's compromise and give the trans their own ward, their own toilets and changing rooms and anything else where the sexes are separated.

It's not rocket science

Why cant I, who is going to stop me.?

Fewer than 10 trusts considered the needs of the majority of patients when allocating transgender patients to wards, with two more considering accommodation for transgender patients on a case-by-case basis. West Suffolk NHS Trust said the transgender patient’s right to be in a single sex environment of their preferred gender “supersedes objections raised by other patients” despite women and men having a right to segregated facilities under the Equality Act 2010. It said that while a female victim of sexual assault could “reasonably” object to being on the same ward as someone they “perceive to be male”, staff should “seek the view of the trans service user” before any action was taken.

Are trans people in such numbers that they require their own ward?

We wouldn't want more wasted space when there's a fight for beds as it is.

Oh dear. Nobody's stopping you it's just a waste of effort as claiming to be a cat is not even similar to gender, nevermind a direct comparison. Like what exactly are you illustrating with it apart from ignorance?

That is a ridiculous comparison. You're clearly running out of ideas.

Transgender people are just the same as everyone else, the literal only difference it makes to anyone apart from them personally is words. They might prefer to be called by a chosen name rather than the one picked for them and they might prefer to be referred to as "she/her" rather than "he/him". Other than that there is zero affect on anyone apart from that person trying to get on with their life and be comfortable.

Yes I’m ignorant lets finish any discussion right there