Well, that's not technically true is it or they'd be in jail.

In that case, I think your issues need to be redirected to members of the World's police forces who have failed to act on this seemingly obvious case of murder, instead of people in this thread who disagree with your opinion.

The police have been following up leads/sightings for over a decade and she still hasn't been found. Considering the McCann parents have been at the epicenter of the entire series of investigative endeavors for the entirety of this period and still haven't been incriminated with concrete evidence surely goes to suggest that police forces across the globe have been sleeping on these leads. OR!!! PERHAPS!!! The McCann parents genuinely had no involvement in this abduction/murder whatsoever! Imagine!

There is evidence, but not enough to secure a guilty verdict. One things for sure, there is more pointing towards parental involvement than there is to a random stranger.

tbh I'll go on record having said that I don't like Kate and Gerry as people. I think the way they've portrayed themselves since May 2007 hasn't been entirely endearing to say the very least. But if you really think they're the perpetrators in this crime then perhaps you should be approaching the Met police with all this concrete evidence you have instead of pasting public police reports on the forum to belittle those with different beliefs regarding the case :-)

:laugh: I know another case just like that.

Er, the point of a forum is discussions. Do you think that whenever people disagree they should just..not say it? :laugh:

Any comment on them going out and leaving 3 babies unattended so they could eat and drink with their friends? Leaving those babies so some person could come in and abduct her? I lean towards her being abducted more than killed BUT I hold the parents to serious account for facilitating that.

Yep. Another thread on here turned into a "If you don't believe the party line, shut up, I want the thread to not be bothered with it!"

This.

No matter what happened to Maddie, they're responsible for it.

I find it seriously bizarre when people kick off about others posting a different opinion..seems to happen everywhere. Or say that if you think the opposite of the police, then speak to the police not on a thread about it! Argue, passionately, whatever, but moaning that people disagree with you?! Even if near all people in the discussion disagree..like, thats not being 'shouted down'..its just having a minority opinion. It happens. If people just didn't post whenever they disagreed, then the forum would die even quicker than it already is, and all forums would be obsolete.

FWIW, I think the exact same of the discussion in the MJ thread tbh, however I promised myself I wouldn't post in there except like..as a mod telling people go get back on topic. I won't post anything else as the whole threads annoying me too much :laugh: I was annoyed with myself for 're-getting' into the conversation after saying I would leave it so nope, not going back there

That's not really my point but sure, go off

If members within this thread feel they hold the key to this investigation then they're telling the wrong people is my point

So what I said, no point talking about the topic if you disagree with the abduction theory and anything you have to say on the matter should be directed at the police. Which is..daft to say the least.

Probably wise. :hehe:

It's a discussion.

It's like telling anyone who ever came to the forum for Big Brother they're in the wrong place, they need to go and give their opinions/theories to the housemates themselves.

Bizarre.

Direct yourself to the previous page where I was told I was making myself look silly because I chose to doubt the concreteness of the cadaver dogs pls!!!! :)

I don't have any qualms with people disbelieving the abduction theory, I just disagree that we should be using public police files to incriminate the McCann parents as definitive perpetrators when those police files are not only in existence but very easily accessible and they still haven't amounted to any conclusion. Like ok yes we realise that the cadaver dogs barked in Madeleine's room but this was 12 years ago and the discussion regarding this entire investigation is still so open-ended that it's crazy to me anyone would think that this one piece of information is all that we need to pay attention to.

Also my main theory is drugged and covered up.

But I think there is a lot to the theory of 'woke and wandered' and was met with an accident tbh. Which is why it struck me as so odd the whole 'they have taken her' thing. I thought one of my kids had disappeared from my house not long back and immediately I panicked that they had got out of the house. I did not, at any stage think they had been abducted from my house. It would surely be one of the LAST things you would think of...especially given how often kids do diddle off somewhere.

The panic I had in those 10 mins was unbelievable..til I saw the little **** hiding under her bed with a huge grin :D

As I said in an earlier comment for some reason they are being protected, it started with Tony Blair after Gordon Brown asked him to intervene, then has been carried on since, THIS is the root of why they have never been charged with Maddies death ,and until the root reason has been uncovered the McCanns will continue to walk free

Nobody's suggested it's the only piece of information to pay attention to. They use it, coupled with everything else, to come to a very possible conclusion. That's literally the point.

Oh I'm sorry for having an opinion on a topic in a Debate forum, how silly of me :facepalm:

Maybe they are innocent and maybe they're not but to say the fact that the PJ didn't have enough evidence to charge them means they're innocent is simply not correct.

Well, I think that was more the way it came across, than you thinking the dogs could be wrong :laugh:

Explain the cadaver on Kates clothing and the blood splatter that had been bleached away ( but forgot it could get in the grouting between the tiles) in 5a ...the hire car boot ?

Well that depends, was the blood Maddie's?

Well yes, I know.

The 'I came into contact with a bunch of corpses at my job as a GP the week before going on holiday' just does not strike me as plausible tbh. Same as 'the dogs alerted to seabass and the dirty nappies we were collecting in a bag in the back of the car, but ignoring that, police digs are notoriously unreliable anyway so ner ner' :umm2:

Its only in moments where I try to exonerate the parents tin my head that I favour woke and wandered. I know it makes no sense really given the rest of the evidence. I just..cannot really get past the dogs. That does not mean its only the dogs, but a culmination of many different things which says to me that they (or at least one of them) were involved.

LMFAOOOOOOO yeah we get it. Thanks! Anyone else wanna echo these same sentiments while we're at it?~

well yeah because when someone gets convicted for a crime we all believe the police are doing what they're supposed to be doing: gathering conclusive evidence and acting accordingly. Why, if a rapist is jailed for his actions do we have faith in the police but when the McCanns continue to walk free 12 years after the Madeleine crime we lose that faith? You can't have it both ways. Like I said the McCanns have been at the center of this entire investigation for the whole case so I think if anything concrete was to be found the police would have acted on it by now, especially considering they've become pariahs of society through all the speculation.

See the wandering theory, I always think there MUST be more witness sightings if that had happened.

Oj is innocent too I suppose? :think: "I Can't have it both ways" so I have to believe that either the Police are always right or else they are never right? :think:

Do we? Great news

That's two different things though.

Someone who is found guilty in a court of law and jailed, there was evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to convict them. Someone walking free with a "not guilty" verdict isn't "proven innocent" and a lot of cases won't make it to court, not because someone is innocent but because there is insufficient evidence to prove they did it. Surely, you know the difference?

But it mostly especially usually means that their accuser was greedy.

Not really. :shrug:

Another good point.

I think woke and wandered makes a lot more sense than random abductor (or burglar, still cannot believe Grange went with that.. :rolleyes: ) though, given the many other variables in this.

For Annie regarding Tanners daughter and Maddie

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

The strange blown up photo they used for the "madeline is missing campaign" is a odd one and her eye looks like it has a popped blood vessel, that leads me to think it wasn't the first time they possibly drugged her.

But this time it went wrong and Madeline either banged her head or it was an over dose .

If you look through a lot of photos you cannot see the flaw in her eye in some of them ?

Oh come on. Her dodgy pupil was not because she was high. :joker:

How do we know , but i find it weird that they use that photo of her close up where she looks surprised . It's like they literally ran up to her and took the photo.

Have you seen the video of her in the Snow White dress? she's scared of the person who's making the video ,it sends shivers down my spine

So what exactly are you saying?

They staged a photoshoot knowing what was going to happen?

Or zoomed into a picture that displays the pupil?

We are told on the MJ thread that the youtube videos are less that reliable Chuff so I take it, it means the same on here, TS will tell you how useless YouTube videos are :wavey: personally I think some of them are very revealing.