by lulling her into a false sense of security and making it appear as if she was comfortable with the word by using it herself, by singing rap songs with emily all afternoon.........its easy to slip up when your singing and even easier to slip up when you think someone pretends to be something they are not, Charley wanted the house to hear her class herself as n######, she shouldnt be surprised if it sticks. [/quote]I dont think Charleys got the brains to do that.

I posted something like this on the 'Charley' section of the contestants forum. Stubborn Emily fans have to find someone to blame for poor little Emily's removal from the house, don't they?

by lulling her into a false sense of security and making it appear as if she was comfortable with the word by using it herself, by singing rap songs with emily all afternoon.........its easy to slip up when your singing and even easier to slip up when you think someone pretends to be something they are not, Charley wanted the house to hear her class herself as n######, she shouldnt be surprised if it sticks. [/quote]

oh my god charley is the anti christ:devil: she can make words come out your mouth.

I just cant believe that people can even think about holding Charley responsible for what another person "chooses" to say. Emily said it in a desperate attempt to seem cool to Charley and it backfired.

I agree Sunny. Everyone is responsible for their own actions.

yeah Ive been in emily's position, Im far from racist, been into dub reggae for 20 years and think most black culture is great.
My mate at work and i were always shouting along lyrics to rap tapes and i always used to make a conscious effort not to say the n word out loud but i slipped up once, I'll never forget how upset my mate was by the word coming from my lips, made me realise, he told me off big time and i felt hollow but he understood it was an accident.
he even told me not to say "shizzle ma nizzle" because its obvious what nizzle means.......It aint easy being a honky in a black man's scene. hehe

emily did say sorry unlike some of her fans she knows she was wrong.

now you really are selling Charley short......she's not stupid, thats why she also lied about lesley supposedly weeing in the shower.

I suppose sunshine that is the key, she has openly accepted that what she said was wrong yet her fans refuse to acknowledge that she is wrong! doesnt make sense to me really :bored:

you were singing to a song that was playing emily wasn't she said to charley push it out you n**** there was no music and she wasn't singing. don't put that as the same as your situation. and how many black friends do you think emily's got?

I agree with the people that are saying that black people are just as much to blame as white people and from what I have read in this topic I feel that the black people are kind of going on at the white people too much. Ok so you have been called the N word in the past and been bullied for it but if black rappers didn't use this word all the time in their music then this generation of people wouldn't use these words! so I guess to stamp this out completely we need to make sure that black rappers can't use these words anymore. Getting back to Emily and Charley... Ok I've said before in another topic that Emily should have stayed and it wasn't just her fault... and I still think that, and yes Charley and some of the other girls have been singing RnB songs and that word has come up. I do think Emily was a little stupid for saying it but she should have just got a warning... and for Charley making it into an even bigger thing didn't help and to go and say "Oh I'm defo going to be in the papers for this guys" it doesn't help at all and she needs to get over herself... she isn't special in the slightest... she's so braindead!... and I think Shabnam shouldn't have gone on like she did. Emily did not say it in a malicious or hurtful way at all unlike Jade Goody in CBB5 when she really did mean it! and Charley shouldn't have been so hurt by it because she was only using the word like black rappers do. I think Big Brother didn't deal with this issue very well... I think they only removed her so they looked good for what happened in the last Celebrity Series... I think they should have given her a warning and I also think they should have given Charley a warning for saying it as well... I think the fact that Emily got removed for saying it and Charley didn't was very racist towards white people. And I know that some black people think it's ok to use the word but they shouldn't even be allowed to use it!... If I have repeated myself or gone on too much I'm sorry lol! :wink::wink:

hey im not an emily fan, couldnt bloody stand the spoilt little rich girl trying to be street routine, but credit where its due, mistakes are easy to make when nudged in the wrong direction.

definately less than a fortnight ago lol

Okay, I don't know many racially offensive words that a white person could be called (probably really shameful) but I know that 'honky' is a racist term against white people, I just wondered, if you're white, would you be offended if someone called you that?

who said black people think it's alright to use the word. iam black and asian and noone i mix with uses that word. we are all different you know. i wish people wouldn't make race the be all and end all of a person. rappers don't rep for just like the kkk don't rep for you.

honky is ok, whitey is ok, cracker would offend as its short for "whip cracker".....

It depeands on the situation, who is saying it, and in what context it was said.

I used to go out clubbing every weekend with some friends in Manchester who were originally from Zambia in Africa. They got called "*****", "indians" (just shows you peoples ignorance) and "blacks" sometimes, from people who had had a bit much to drink. I would just turn around and say something like "what about it white honky"? They never knew how to comeback on that one not 1 single time (being white myself). If my friends had said that, the situation would have been very different!

I was not being racist as it was said to a person who was the same race as me. If one of my friends would have said it, then it would have been racist. So, as it has been pointed out before, you can't be racist against your own ethnicity (hence why some black people are ok with calling each other *******).

Yes. It's exactly the same as if you were a black person, and had been called a 'n****r' by a white person. Based on both cases being offensive.

Saying that though, there are a lot of black and Asian celebrities who seem to go out of their way to make their skin look as white as it can, not that I think they're being racist against their own ethnicity but why do they do it?

well they obviously do that's why the word is used in RnB music!

most r' b singers don't use it actually it's hip hop artists.

Well whatever... but they still use it don't they... they shouldn't be allowed to at all!

RAP MUSIC-the most racist music in the world.........
Kill the white people; we gonna make them hurt; kill the white people; but buy my record first; ha, ha, ha";
"Kill d'White People"; --Apache, Apache Ain't ****, 1993, Tommy Boy Music, Time Warner, USA.

"Ni##as in the church say: kill whitey all night long. . . . the white man is the devil. . . . the CRIPS and Bloods are soldiers I'm recruiting with no dispute; drive-by shooting on this white genetic mutant. . . . let's go and kill some rednecks. . . . Menace Clan ain't afraid. . . . I got the .380; the homies think I'm crazy because I shot a white baby; I said; I said; I said: kill whitey all night long. . . . a ni##a dumping on your white ass; f##k this rap sh#t, ni##a, I'm gonna blast. . . . I beat a white boy to the motherf##ing ground";
"Kill Whitey"; --Menace Clan, Da Hood, 1995, Rap-A-Lot Records, Noo Trybe Records, subsidiaries of what was called Thorn EMI and now is called The EMI Group, United Kingdom.

"Devils fear this brand new ****. . . . I bleed them next time I see them. . . . I prey on these devils. . . . look what it has come to; who you gonna run to when we get to mobbing. . . . filling his body up with lead, yah; cracker in my way; slitting, slit his throat; watch his body shake; watch his body shake; that's how we do it in the motherfu##ing [San Francisco] Bay. . . . Sitting on the dock of the dirty with my AK";
"Heat-featuring Jet and Spice1"; --Paris, Unleashed, 1998, Unleashed Records, Whirling Records.

"These devils make me sick; I love to fill them full of holes; kill them all in the daytime, broad motherfu##ing daylight; 12 o'clock, grab the Glock; why wait for night"; "Sweatin Bullets";
--Brand Nubian, Everything Is Everything, 1994, Elektra Entertainment, Warner Communications, Time Warner, USA.

"A fight, a fight, a ni##er and a white, if the ni##er don't win then we all jump in. . . . smoking all [of] America's white boys";
--"A Fight"; Apache, Apache Ain't ****, 1993, Tommy Boy Music, Time Warner, USA.

"I kill a devil right now. . . . I say kill whitey all nightey long. . . .I stabbed a f##king Jew with a steeple. . . . I would kill a cracker for nothing, just for the **** of it. . . . Menace Clan kill a cracker; jack 'em even quicker. . . . catch that devil slipping; blow his fu##ing brains out";
"F##k a Record Deal"; -- Menace Clan, Da Hood, 1995, Rap-A-Lot Records, Noo Trybe Records, subsidiaries of Thorn EMI; called The EMI Group since 1997, United Kingdom.

"Now I'm black but black people trip 'cause white people like me; white people like me I but don't like them. . . . I don't hate whites, I just gotta death wish for motherf##kers that ain't right";
--"Race War"; Ice-T, Home Invasion, 1993, Priority Records, Thorn EMI; now called The EMI Group, United Kingdom.

"To all my Universal Soldier's: stay at attention while I strategize an invasion; the mission be assassination, snipers hitting Caucasians with semi-automatic shots heard around the world; my plot is to control the globe and hold the world hostage. . . . see, I got a war plan more deadlier than Hitler. . . . lyrical specialist, underworld terrorist. . . . keep the unity thick like mud. . . . I pulling out gats , launching deadly attacks";
--"Blood for Blood"; Killarmy, Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, 1997, Wu-Tang Records, Priority Records, The EMI Group, United Kingdom.

"Lead to the head of you devils";
"Lick Dem Mutha*****as-Remix"; --Brand Nubian, Everything Is Everything, 1994, Elektra Entertainment, Warner Communications, Time Warner, USA.

"This will all be over in '99, so, ni##as, give devils the crime; gonna be more devils dying"; --"No Surrender";
Bone Thugs-N-Harmony, Creepin on ah Come Up, 1994, Ruthless Records, Epic Records, Sony Music Entertainment, Sony, Japan.

"Won't be satisfied until the devils-I see them all dead. . . . my brother is sending me more guns from down South. . . . pale face. . . . it's all about brothers rising up, wising up, sizing up our situation. . . . you be ****ing with my turf when you be ****ing with my race; now face your maker and take your last breath; the time is half-past death. . . . it's the Armageddon. . . . go into the garage; find that old camouflage. . . . cracker-shooting nightly";
--"What the ****"; Brand Nubian, Everything Is Everything, 1994, Elektra Entertainment, Warner Communications, Time Warner, USA.

".44 ways to get paid. . . . I'm through with talking to these devils; now I'm ready to blast";
--"44 Wayz-featuring Mystic"; Paris, Unleashed, 1998, Unleashed Records, Whirling Records.

"Like my ni##as from South Central Los Angeles they found that they couldn't handle us; Bloods, CRIPS, on the same squad, with the Essays up, and ni##a, it's time to rob and mob and break the white man off something lovely";
--"The Day the *****z Took Over"; Dr Dre, The Chronic, 1993, Interscope Records, under Time Warner in 1993.

"Bust a Glock; devils get shot. . . . when God give the word me herd like the buffalo through the neighborhood; watch me blast. . . . I'm killing more crackers than Bosnia-Herzegovina, each and everyday. . . . don't bust until you see the whites of his eyes, the whites of his skin. . . . Louis Farrakhan . . . Bloods and CRIPS, and little old me, and we all getting ready for the enemy";
-- "Enemy"; Ice Cube, Lethal Injection, 1993, Priority Records, Thorn EMI; now called The EMI Group, United Kingdom.

"Devil, to gangbanging there's a positive side and the positive side is this-sooner than later the brothers will come to Islam, and they will be the soldiers for the war; what war, you ask; Armageddon; ha, ha, ha, ha, ha";
"Armageddon"; -- RBX, The RBX Files, 1995, Premeditated Records, Warner Brother Records, Time Warner, USA.

"Subtract the devils that get smoked. . . . we're people, black people; steal your mind back, don't die in their wilderness. . . . let's point our heaters the other way";
--"Dial 7"; Digable Planets, Blowout Comb, 1994, Pendulum Records, Thorn EMI; now called The EMI Group, United Kingdom.

"Get them devil-made guns and leave them demons bleeding; give them back whips, and just feed them bullets";
--"Wicked Ways"; Sunz of Man, One Million Strong: The Album, 1995, Mergela Records, Solar/Hines Co., Prolific Records.

"It's time to send the devil to the essence. . . this is a must because there ain't no reform or trust; you got a Glock and you see a devil, bust... . they'll be calling us the trigger men, the nappy-knotty red-beard devil-assassin; Lord make a law; at midnight I'll be bashing. . . . field ni##as [are] locked in until 2005";
--"Field Nigguhz in a Huddle"; Professor Griff, Blood of the Prophet; 1998, Lethal Records, Mercury Records, PolyGram, Phillips' Electronics NV, Netherlands. PolyGram merged with Universal Music Group in 1998, the parent being The Seagram Company of Canada, owned by Edgar Bronfman.

ETC ETC ETC.

well whatever that says it all, were all the same to you right?

i have never used it, it disgusts me that anyone would, someone at school said what she did was okay and we had a bit of a lively dicussion in class, my side won. no matter how she meant it it was racist

why are you tring to prove? if i get beaten up in the street because of my race it's my fault than. would you turn to a rape victim and say women are stripper so what do you expect? i doubt it don't blame the victim.

good point, if people see every black person as being the n word that is well out of order, Its just a shame the major contribution black culture gives the world seems to want to keep black people down by using the word, not just by using the word but gloryiying violence, theft and other crimes.

Some white people are dumb enough to believe the hype.

No way should you get beat up for skin colour, my point was to illustrate how racism works both ways and how decent black people are being betrayed by there own culture.

okay. that i agree with.:thumbs:

Ah if only Bob was alive today, he'd sort it out.
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No when I said... "Well whatever" I said it to when you said they use the word in Hip Hop music as I said they use it in RnB music... this stuff you call music is all the bloody same to me I dunno what they call it!

And easypeasy has a good point there... Nowadays it does work both ways so it isn't a one sided argument anymore... they should just stamp out racism altogether whether you are black or white!
*tries not to sing that Michael Jackson song* LOL!

if englands makes you sik dont live here

but dont judge by what you read or see what a few people do

There are heaps of people in England, and in (Scotland, Wales, and North Ireland) that don't support racism at all. You can't stereotype a whole country by a few ignorant people. It's a shame to know that there are some people in this country that use racist terms. But it's also comforting to know that there are many people against racism in forms. I'm content with the way the matter was handled. If you don't agree with how hings are going here, then move to the States, or Canada, or Spain. I feel like the situation was handled very well, and I'm proud that there has been such an outcry against racism.

I think everyone’s missing the real issue here. I believe that the comment made by Emily was a complete set up, after BB was slated after the business with Jade and Shilpa because Channel 4 handled the whole situation wrong by allowing the group that were at the centre of the Shilpa Shetty bullying to continue to stay in the house, which only outraged the viewers more. Therefore I believe they set the whole thing up so they could then remove Emily from the house immediately.
I have trouble understanding exactly for racism is. I mean I’m rather a large women and get offended if someone said “You fat cow” I would also be offended if someone wrote a song with the words “You fat cow” in the lyrics but when it comes to the word N***** its perfectly expectable, perhaps someone would be kind enough to explain why this this?

That is a very good point... how do we know that Channel 4 didn't set this all up... before the show began when they were in hiding they could have told them what to say!, when to say it!, and how to say it! (in order not to get so many complaints)... cmon think about it people... one of the many possibilites in order to get publicity and money! :shocked::shocked:
It all seems a bit fishy to me as we have another race row espcially how its occuring in the following series from the first race row! :conf::conf::shocked:
If this is the case then Channel 4 are absolute morons and have picked the worst time to do... if you are gonna be clever and pull a stunt like that at least pull it a couple of years after... all of this is coming from my wierd head and none of you have to read this really but think about it lol :hugesmile:

Well you could say I am on both sides of the fence. I'm a bus driver and work with many black guys, some of which call each other N****R..I personaly hate that word, not because of what it stands for today but what it stood for 200 years ago...the so called 'master race' (KKK) still use the word and teach their children what a nice word it is :puzzled:

On the other side, I have black nieces and nephews, I say black but they are all mixed race, but prefer black. My neice, the oldest, is the only one that calls me uncle N****R :laugh2: Funny I know, but I keep telling her I hate it but she says in the black community, blacks callng other blacks is not a bad thing as they have tried to turn a bad word into good...calling your friend a N****R mean like, brother.

As for BB, I agree she should have been removed from the house but after the last episode we had they should never had shown it.

I don't get why ppl are saying Emily was "nudged" into it, by singing hip hop and rnb songs.

How ridiculous, I am mixed race (half black) and I listen to alot of hip hop, also reggae/bashment music, though I personally dont use the word *****. And just because I listen to music which says it, it does not "nudge" me into it.

Emily clearly said she uses it at home among friends, not only that but I assume she is not the kind of girl who even listens to that much hip-hop and is more an "indie" girl as she has already said.

So how was she nudged into it?

And if on this occassion she was "nudged" into it, what about the other occassions SHE ADMITTED TO back home. Was she "nudged" then too.

C'mon ppl, don't try and defend the girl. She used a racist word, I have white friends who follow the "black" culture but they would know not to use the word, especially around someone you have just met.

Also there are not many white rappers you could find that use the word too.

I just cant see how someone would feel it is ok to use it bcos black ppl do. When black ppl use it, it is to identify someone, as a term of endearment, who is like themselves BLACK, uh, hello white ppl you are clearly not black, so why use it.

"your pushing it out you ******"

I do understand, how it being used in music/films can make others feel as though they can say it... but the point is, they cant, and they shouldnt, and you cant defend them for doing so.

yea, but ni***er does not = brother. N***er = SLAVE to be used by a white man.

People these days need to do some history and stop using that word.

Yeah exactly but there are some aren't there!!!