All he did was say "it's not really an English city". He didn't follow this with "and that's terrible!"

So he wasn't complaining about it.

It's madness :laugh:

The hate mob is ALL young people who didn't experience the 60s or 70s?

You took a census?

Yes he was. He even clarified he wasn't being racist but culturalist - making his observation a negative one.

making his observation exactly what it was, an observation

It's not a comment you make publicly just because. He was making a complaint. He doesn't like it. That part isn't up for debate.

How isn’t it an English City?

Because there’s brown people there? Brown people can be English

Did I say I agreed, or was I just quoting him? He has a twitter if you have any questions for him x

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You've mentioned that show a few times on the forum; I cant find it, do you have a link or would you like to sum up for us the best points made?

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I just googled it and its on Iplayer I think

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07czw5k

that is from 2016 so maybe not though

It hasnt been available on iplayer since 2016. There is not much on youtube either.

This is the blurb, I would really like to see it

Newham in London's East End is home to a tight-knit white working-class community who have lived there for centuries. But over the past 15 years something extraordinary has happened to this cockney tribe - more than half of them have disappeared. Now the few who remain are struggling to hold on to their identity in the place they have always called home.

Newham has been shaped by immigration for generations, but the past 15 years have been defined by it, as Newham welcomed the highest numbers of new residents anywhere in the country. At the same time more than half the white British population have vanished - breaking apart the tight-knit families their community was built on.

A decade of mass immigration and 'white flight' has brought Newham to its tipping point, and now Newham has the lowest white British population of anywhere in the UK.

Filmed over several months, this documentary records the thoughts, feelings and experiences of the white residents of Newham, as they leave the place where they've grown up.

From young mum Leanne, who has made the difficult decision to leave her tight-knit extended family in search of 'a better life' in Essex, to mixed-race Tony who wants to find somewhere to bring up his baby daughter that feels more like what he knows, these are the stories of people who are struggling with rapid change.

Many cling on to the past, fighting to keep the last places going where the white community meet, like Peter Bell, manager of the East Ham Working Men's Club. This is now a hidden world of tea dances, boxing and drinking in the last club left - an oasis for those left behind.

This thoughtful, reflective film hears these voices for the first time. It uncovers what it really feels like to have society change around you.

Do you know how long it was? I found this while googling around, but it's only just over half hour.
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6th7ez

Yeah read that too :thumbs:

Thanks :thumbs:

I've got my hankies ready. I'm sure it'll make me cry:wink:

...good find Oliver...I’m watching it now...

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Four minutes in and here we go already 'Its not like the old days, everyone knew everyone'.

I might save this for later. I think I'm gonna enjoy it. Dont think I need the hankies, gotta funny feeling I'm gonna be chuckling all the way thru.

I think it said 45 minutes but Livia can tell us if that is it

The thing I'm watching is 36 minutes long.

Seven minutes in 'Christian values have gone'. I nearly fell off my seat :laugh:

...’mooslims’...mooslims don’t drink do they...:laugh:..

I know. Its unintentionally brilliant.:laugh:

The player who took a bite out of a banana was Dani Alves and it was only a couple of years ago :conf:

Eileen is moving out due to the death of her husband to be near her daughter. When are we gonna see the ones who are being 'pushed out' of their homes?

...yeah I’ll watch it over the course of the evening as I’m doing some stuff as well...the inference that the pubs were closing down because the ‘mooslims don’t drink’, when I would say austerity and poverty which many people in the U.K. have experienced would be the reason...and the description of ‘these are proper Eastenders’...

'You see it on Eastenders with the Masoods' :laugh: OMG I need oxygen.

That lady needed to shut up cuz I was giggling and chuckling all the way thru her speech on how 'we all kept to our own' and how she 'wouldn't be happy' if her daughter dated a non Caucasian boy. Lets hope her daughters not gay andbrings home a black girl cuz that might push her off the edge

It always intrigues me to see this kind of attitude. I find it more laughable than disturbing.

See what on EE with the Masoods?

They're probably as un-Muslim as it gets. Frequently in the pub drinking alcohol, bacon sarnies for breakfast, affairs, fighting in the street. Just like the white characters. :laugh:

Brilliant the way she picked out one thing to make her point :laugh:

EDIT - Didnt answer the question. She was making the point that on EE the Masoods didnt like one of their children dating a non-Muslim.

Watched it all now and not good, oh dear.

I dont think the people were racist but I found some of the attitudes to be as dodgy as f*(*k. I found the mixed race guy who didnt want his daughter to go to school where she would be a minority to actually be quite disturbing. He talked of her losing her 'identity' . She needs to find her own identity.

Thanks for the link but that show failed to show either the necessary sympathy for the people moving and failed to show how this is not entirely their choice. The show failed to show how the people are being 'pushed out'

....awwww Eileen and Albert...leaving their home would have been such a difficult decision for her to make...but one that many older people have to make when they lose their life partner...:sad:...

Have you watched all of it Ammi?

...I think I have around 10 minutes left..it’s always lovely to see all of the children learning and interacting together in schools..:lovedup:..and as she said, children don’t see colour...but so sad that this represents a school that the father didn’t feel he wanted to send his daughter to because he was worried she may lose her identity..:sad:...look at all of those children learning together and bonding...

He was one of the few who actually depressed me a little. As the offspring of an immigrant its hard to see where that attitude comes from in him.

...I’m not sure what to say really, the landscape of where people spend their childhood is always going to look so different when they’re then looking at it through the eyes of their own children and their grandchildren etc...populations rise, areas are built on more, building faces change and become unrecognisable from what they used to be...?...it’s a constant changing thing but not in any type of negative way...they had their personal reasons for leaving and Eileen who was the eldest..?...she had a lovely bond and friendship with her Somalian neighbours but just needed to be closer to her family...

...it was an interesting watch, thanks for that Oliver..:love:..

Oh yeah, I forgot Eileen had Somalian neighbours and mentioned how much she liked them.

I agree the constant changing environment in this country is too often viewed in a negative way.

Yes, thank Oliver. Have you and Cherie watched it yet?

I'm not going to watch it - I don't particularly care either way about London, I'm not a city person.