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How Stinking Rotten
of the EU to not give us a Date
of the new 3rd Extension on Monday
before any vote at 5PM , I assume.

I would not do any vote now
until the POXY EU give us a DATE
France is giving them trouble
Sort that bugger OUT.

The SNP and LibDems agree for a General Election
3 days earlier on Dec 9th Monday

Johnson PM should do that

Sod Labour.............................

The LibDem Leader is on Marr BBC1HD 9AM

‘This confirms our worst fears’: Brexit deal will allow Boris Johnson to cut workers’ rights, leak reveals...

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/brexit-dea...070936389.html

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 10702252)

‘This confirms our worst fears’: Brexit deal will allow Boris Johnson to cut workers’ rights, leak reveals...

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/brexit-dea...070936389.html

No Ammi that's not true

LibDems and SNP and Conservative
can Vote for General Election on the 9th of Dec., Monday

Labour votes not needed

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10702258)

No Ammi that's not true

Its hard to tell what true and what not the trust is just not there

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 10702252)

‘This confirms our worst fears’: Brexit deal will allow Boris Johnson to cut workers’ rights, leak reveals...

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/brexit-dea...070936389.html

i'm a remainer, just putting that out there :laugh: ... but, the whole point of brexit is that the UK is in control. So if people feel they need better rights, they should vote for the party that wants that and put them in government. If labour think it's an issue, they can't have any confidence that they will end up in power.

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10702271)

i'm a remainer, just putting that out there :laugh: ... but, the whole point of brexit is that the UK is in control. So if people feel they need better rights, they should vote for the party that wants that and put them in government. If Labour think it's an issue, they can't have any confidence that they will end up in power.

Very True
and now we do not need Labour
to get a General Election.

Conservative, SNP and LibDem
can have it on the 9th of Dec Monday

LibDem Leader
says with SNP they will bring
this 9th Dec Monday General Election Bill on Tuesday
but she just said on Marr BBC1HD
"No Deal" will be removed
by law?

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10702271)

Agree, the idea that we need the EU to protect workers rights on our behalf is a strange one imo

From the Guardian's economics editor:

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All week Labour MPs have been lining up to say that only by staying closely aligned with the EU can the socially progressive rights that Brussels has delivered be protected.

There is one problem with this idea: it is complete nonsense. Britain’s labour market has been reshaped over the past 40 years by deregulation, privatisation and anti-trade union laws, not by the limited protections delivered by the EU, which are weaker in practice than they sound in principle...This should not come as a surprise, because from its earliest days the overriding principle behind the European project has been to make life easier for capital, which is why multinational corporations like it so much. While the pro-employer bias has been there since the Treaty of Rome in 1957 it has become more pronounced in recent years as the slowdown in growth, entrenched high unemployment and the crisis in the eurozone have prompted calls for European labour markets to become more “flexible”.

Anybody who suggested to Greek workers that they should look to Brussels to protect their rights would be given short shrift. It speaks volumes that when a structural adjustment programme was imposed on Athens as the price of financial support in 2015, it was the International Monetary Fund that sought to tone down the hardline demands of the Commission and the European Central Bank, for whom the imperative was to safeguard the profits of European banks rather than to protect Greek workers.

The truth is that social Europe never delivered all that much, even in the days when the European economy was in much better shape than it is currently. That’s because a succession of EU treaties has enshrined in law four basic freedoms for business: the right to provide services; the right to establish an enterprise; the right to move capital; and the right to move labour. These freedoms trump all other considerations, including the right of workers to withdraw their labour.

...

In consequence, the only sure way to advance workers’ rights is to elect a government pledged to full employment and collective bargaining. The notion that only Brussels stands in the way of a barrage of deregulation betrays not just a misunderstanding of the way the EU operates but also a deep and irrational pessimism on the left, a belief that the Conservatives will be in power for ever no matter what they do. The left doesn’t need the EU to fight its battles. What it needs is to make the case for better working conditions and win over a public sick of a labour market loaded in favour of employers. With a bit of self-confidence it shouldn’t be that difficult.

Full article: https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...multinationals

Also remember that in some areas like maternity leave and holiday allowance we have much stronger laws for employees than is required by the EU

Unable?.. she explains it a number of times, is he deaf or thick?!

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10701326)

One for Nicky

:laugh3: :laugh3:

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 10702293)

Agree, the idea that we need the EU to protect workers rights on our behalf is a strange one imo

From the Guardian's economics editor:

Also remember that in some areas like maternity leave and holiday allowance we have much stronger laws for employees than is required by the EU

And the EWTD...what of that?

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10702392)

Unable?.. she explains it a number of times, is he deaf or thick?!

No Kizzy
it's the Conservatives do not trust Labour

and Labour does not trust the Conservatives

A General Election
must happen
it can change and wash away
bad MP's of every party.

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10702459)

No Kizzy
it's the Conservatives do not trust Labour

and Labour does not trust the Conservatives

A General Election
must happen
it can change and wash away
bad MP's of every party.

What's this to do with the reasonings Labour have given for not wanting an election yet?

It's been said countless times why Corbyn won't agree till no deal is off the table .. are some being deliberately thick not acknowledging this important factor?

Diane Abbot explained it concisely and yet it's not been understood :/

The whole page is fooked bc yet again Arista can't be arsed to resize his images

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10702612)

The whole page is fooked bc yet again Arista can't be arsed to resize his images

I deleted image for you

EU Tusk has now agreed a Extension
for Brexit under the FlexExtension Jan 31st 2020

General Election
via Conservative /LibDem/ SNP
vote possible on Tuesday.

No Labour Poxy Votes needed
to get this Election.

Is no deal off the table yet?....
If not we won't be leaving in Jan either.

Think of all the millions spent on his pie in the sky no deal Halloween brexit... what a pathetic PM! As soon as the no deal risk is eliminated get the rabid tories out!!

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10702792)

Is no deal off the table yet?....
If not we won't be leaving in Jan either.

Think of all the millions spent on his pie in the sky no deal Halloween brexit... what a pathetic PM! As soon as the no deal risk is eliminated get the rabid tories out!!

No not yet.
It will need to be
to get the LibDem /SNP
General Election for the 9th Dec. Monday

No Labour votes needed

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10702802)

No not yet.
It will need to be
to get the LibDem /SNP
General Election for the 9th Dec. Monday

No Labour votes needed

Well that's all Labour want too... That's all they're waiting for :/

Once that's confirmed it will be all systems go for a GE. Suddenly that's what the lib dems want too and it's great.. but hang on last week that's not what they wanted at all. And pepole say Labour aren't consistent! Pffft!

no deal is off the table this week, of course it is. The EU gave us the extension requested, so there is plenty time for an election. Anyone not agreeing to an election now is running scared.

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10702816)

no deal is off the table this week, of course it is. The EU gave us the extension requested, so there is plenty time for an election. Anyone not agreeing to an election now is running scared.

Oh this is another of bots esoteric knowledge things.. how come you know things others don't? How long has no deal been off the table for good?

no deal is off the table for now because we have an extension to 31st January. If labour had any confidence of winning a majority in the commons via a GE they would now jump at the chance. The fact is they are running scared, not willing to vote for anything but happy to criticise everything. They have become the unelectable joke party.

must be cold in that ditch

The only good thing about the last few weeks is that it has shown up Boris for the fool he is

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10702841)

The only good thing about the last few weeks is that it has shown up Boris for the fool he is

Who will you vote for in the election?

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10702842)

Who will you vote for in the election?

i wont be voting labour and i wont be voting tory. The lib dems may get my vote but i'm yet to be convinced

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10702842)

Who will you vote for in the election?

I reckon you should all just vote for Wee Nic. We'll annex and rule with dignity from Edinburgh.

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10702843)

i wont be voting labour and i wont be voting tory. The lib dems may get my vote but i'm yet to be convinced

Lets just say Swinson is the tory she always was, then what? Or what happens if she doesn't convince you?

Who you voting for then?

If you are the remainer you say you are, then you have 2 choices, one of which you've already ruled out, and the other has work to do to get your vote.

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10702846)

Lets just say Swinson is the tory she always was, then what? Or what happens if she doesn't convince you?

Who you voting for then?

If you are the remainer you say you are, then you have 2 choices, one of which you've already ruled out, and the other has work to do to get your vote.

No she has Changed
Slim
And you know that

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10702848)

No she has Changed
Slim
And you know that

No she hasn't. She voted with tories more times than tories, and on their most harmful policies to the country, so explain how she has changed, please.

To be clear, I understand why remainers would vote LD at the next election, especially as Corbyn has been terrible on brexit.