Plus it's so easy to label Meghan as the bad person, when non of us knows what went on behind closed doors in private . There's alot we don't know apart from the clear money grabbing we're seeing from Thomas & Samantha who are bitter.

In that terrible documentary they showed a clip of her saying she's not visiting her dad at that particular time as they're not on the best of terms. It's so easy to twist things for a narrative. What child doesn't have disagreements with their parents??? .

He tries to paint himself as a saint when all I see is a blood sucking parasite , he thinks having home videos of his daughter and him pushing for sympathy over the press treatment is what makes him a good dad . I see straight through him.

I think people need to consider whether they truly want to show support to a bad parent that would sell out their own daughter just because they don't like the daughter in question.

The man is a leech, it takes a particularly **** parent to sell out their own children for a paycheck and I think any decent parent would be outraged at the thought. The man is acting like he is entitled to be in Meghan's life when he's betrayed her terribly by undermining her struggles in the press.

I don't know how you can look at this situation logically and think that Thomas is a victim in any sense of the word. You cannot sell your own child out to the press and act like a victim if they turn their back on you.

Meghan and Harry have both said they are not in a good place mentally, the father doesn't look to be in a good place either. How anyone can cast judgement on either party is beyond me with a story driven by the media's thirst for a drama. I find it all tasteless and a matter best left private.

Any member can give an opinion in this section and they don’t have to justify it to anyone else!

It’s their opinion based on what they have seen or read and that’s basically believe half of what you see and non of what you hear.

Im not going to spend a lifetime arguing with people I don’t know over people I don’t know.

People can support who they want for what ever reason.

...with some of the headlines that he’s creating by ‘speaking out’ and giving these interviews, I have to say that it’s becoming really difficult to find a point of understanding with Thomas Markle...’he’ll give a monthly interview until he and Meghan are in touch again’...and what purpose will that monthly interview have other than to make it more and more unlikely that he’ll have that contact with his daughter...?...he may have ‘been unprepared’ before but he has become very prepared in the media and what they will draw from the things he says...and he keeps on saying them and intends to keep on saying them...it’s very difficult to feel that as healing’ between them is something he’s even seeking...’he brands his daughter ‘preaching’...(..about global warming..)...’...is another headline ...I just cringe at how much he’s giving the Meghan critical media, the bullets to fire at her...the reason that she and Harry have made their decision, one of the reasons...is the critical media...and what he’s doing is aligning himself with the critical media...drip, drip, dripping the bullets into their hands...

...something that he has reportedly said makes no sense at all and is quite toxic tbh...it’s of his relationship with Doria....


‘He met Doria at ABC. "I found her very attractive," Thomas recalls.

"Not everybody seems to approve of those kind of relationships," he added with regards to being in a mixed-race relationship. "People would look at Doria like she was a housekeeper. It wasn't fair. Of course it wasn't fair.‘

...the same words and interview has been recorded on quite a few sites, so I’ll presume he said those words....through his relationship with Doria, he has know and personally felt prejudice because of heritage and skin colour...and yet of his daughter....he has completely dismissed it as a factor, when it’s something that she and Harry have discussed...so much of what he says just feels as though it’s manipulated and tilted against Meghan because he knows ‘that’s the story the media want to hear’....he may not have been the most media savvy person at the start but he seems like a guy of intelligence ...and why he would even agree to be interviewed by Piers at all...the man who shows nothing but unreasonable contempt for his daughter, the daughter he hopes to reunite with..?...it just makes no sense at all...well, the only sense that can be made is that he’s prepared to sacrifice any possible future understanding between them....and that’s his choice, but he has to take responsibility for and live with his choice...

If you feel devalued that is on you? I don't know why you are getting so worked up about me pointing out that you aren't qualified to diagnose the man with complexes based on a few interviews, but if you feel you are qualified then you do you, I don't have to accept your diagnoses! maybe take your own advice and stop getting personal and telling me how I feel towards Meghan and we wouldn't be having this conversation, so we can agree on something this isn't about me either its about the interview with Thomas Markle.

As for supporting, its not a case of support, I am not coming down in favour of him or her, I do find some of their behaviour towards him odd, and I am perfectly entitled to that view. I have also acknowledged he didn't handle the press very well initially but I do think he was left to his own devices and should have perhaps been guided by the palace in how to deal with the press.

I agree and smoke-screening happens a lot. In this case it seems to be that people want their royal drama - but they do NOT want to talk about the fact that the FBI want to talk to Andrew about Epstein and the underage sex allegations but are being refused by him/the palace.

I don’t support him giving interviews; I never said I agree with what he is doing. I was laying out how the estrangement by all accounts is said to have happened. The reasons she turned her back on him initially weren't that terrible, especially as she had neglected him at a time when he was all at sea with the huge impact of what was happening, and not even shown the respect of meeting Harry.
I don’t know how any adult could ignore their father’s heart surgery. She should have been over there as soon after the wedding as possible to visit him, but she didn’t even ask him how it went or indeed inquire after his health at all subsequently. How could anyone think that was fine? Instead Harry berated him while lying in his hospital bed. Disgusting.

Mr. Markle strikes me as desperate, angry, confused, sad, frustrated and probably in need of money to pay for his ongoing poor health issues. Meghan strikes me as cold, unforgiving, shallow, self - absorbed, fame hungry, and a serious grudge holder.
She has a history of discarding people when they are no longer of use to her. Her former friends before Suits (all her ‘friends’ now are rich and/or famous), her extended family, her former husband who was discarded in a cruel way (and who was the one who got acting roles to begin with), and now the royal family. When there is a pattern, there is a big red flag. I just don’t think she is a nice person, period.

Like I said earlier it doesn't matter to me one bit if they're "both to blame" or even if she's 100% to blame for the rift between them. He is her father and selling out to the press for... what? Revenge? Or just for cold hard cash? Unfathomable. And nah if he'd do that to his daughter then no way would I be allowing him any involvement with his grandchild.

So now even when he is uncategorically at fault, that too is Meghan's fault?

Are people not responsible for their own sh*tty actions or something? Laughable.

Thing is even if all of that is true, that's her and Harry's business. If she's literally awful and he wants to be with her more than he wants to be a Royal - that's entirely his prerogative. Because I'm pretty sure jet, as astute as you might be, I'm thinking you PROBABLY don't know Meghan better than her husband knows her. To think that you do would be astounding? SO if she is all of those things and he wants to be with her, then you can be pretty sure that... he must be those things, too? And yet 90% of the flak cannons are pointed directly at Meghan with Harry painted as some poor little cuckold victim powerless to stop such a monster. Ask yourself why.

Her father sells her out to gutter press and Meghan is the serious grudge holder? :think:

The twisting of the truth to even try and justify the disproportionate hate for the woman gets ever more ridiculous.

That is true, I started a thread on this after his interview I think about 4 people commented :laugh:

If he "just" wanted his side of the story to be heard (though I don't even agree with that) he could have made a YouTube video and it would get millions of views over night. But nah he's in the rags and bawling at bloody Piers Morgan about it.

If The Sun did a poll;

"Who is worse?

A) Meghan Markle, new mum who wants to relocate.

B) Prince Andrew, at best someone who has determinedly protected and enabled sex trafficking and other criminal activity by turning a blind eye... at worst an actual sex offender himself.


Sun readers would respond 97% A.

Ugh, I literally can't watch GMB. He is odious. Susannah must be on a fortune to sit next to him and listen to the guff.

well yes I would agree

Currently Prince Andrew is being discussed on the Emma Barton show on Radio 5 live

I was about to make a comment but Barton isn't the spice girl. Ruining me jokes. :idc:

Why keep saying, 'he is her father' and not 'she is his daughter' when she ignored his heart surgery and turned her back on him for initially little reason, really. All the criticism is of him. Cause and effect shouldn't be ignored.
What he is doing now is wrong, obviously. He kept his head down for a long time in the hope of seeing his future grandchild, to no avail. I don't think money is the main motivator, according to Meghan herself, he was always massivley generous and giving. I think he's very very angry at her, with good reason, imo, but he's losing the plot now.
This could all have been avoided with the manners of introducing Harry to him pre - wedding, making sure he was protected and helped or even bringing him to the UK for a week or two to give him advice and help him feel included when the news broke and he was inundated with press attention.
He is her father, after all, one she professed to adore before she met Harry.

Yes, let's offer her father the benefit of the doubt (you know, despite his words and actions being there in print and on camera) but burn Meghan based on ifs, buts and maybes.

People are speaking with such authority on this thread, about Meghan and her father. None of us know what he's like, who he is, how he feels. It looks like people who hated him to begin with had that hatred reinforced. And those of us who had not much interest either way, saw him as a vulnerable, naive man.

None of us know. Just because you've seen Meghan on Suits doesn't mean you know her any more than I know her father.

Has anyone professed to know her because she was on Suits?

I think the prevailing defence of Meghan is actually the opposite, that we don't know her so the overwhelming backlash is entirely out of proportion and unjustified.

Her former friends and colleagues say that Meghan was engaging, charming and funny...until she no longer needs you, then she turns cold and you never hear from her again. As I don't know the woman from Adam, I can only go from what I see, hear and read and my own gut instincts and form an opinion on that. Perhaps she loves Harry, who knows - for now anyway. :smug:

As far as I'm aware, that is what she was famous for before she coupled up with Harry. I had no idea who she was because I don't watch it. My knowledge of her father is the same. Look at some of the hysterical language on here, Marshy. Hysterics based on some tabloid stories and a one-hour edited interview.

He's being called a bad father for releasing a letter she sent him , after it had already had parts of it leaked by Meghan's friends, and which showed him in a bad light. That strikes me as quite manipulative, and if someone had done that to me I'd also have released the entire document. But again, I don't know either of them and I really am not interested in guessing which is the more to blame.

I think calling him a bad father based on this publicity tour of his is fair enough imo. As TS said earlier, even if we were to believe all of the stuff about Meghan it still doesn't paint him in a good light as her dad at all. Giving interviews to the likes of Piers Morgan, just grotesque.

But, I completely agree, we don't actually know either of them so don't, and probably won't ever, actually get to any sort of "truth". It's why I find the backlash against her so ridiculously out of proportion. But then, as has been said, it's probably being fed purposely more than ever to distract from the sex offender on the other page.

The press would never lie to us, would they....?

Of course not. Daily Mail is my bible.

Meghans father having an interview with Piers Morgan is no more grotesque than Harry and Meghans self pity on their documentary about the hardships young girls suffer in South Africa...

My feelings on this too.:wavey: I had never heard of her or watched Suits

What about, what about, what about

You're kinda stepping over the whole repeated selling out his own daughter thing there by pinning it all on her. You're acknowledging it...slightly... but then you're brushing it all under the table to say that Meghan's basically responsible for a grown man's actions. You are justifying what is toxic behaviour to slam someone you don't like.

Meghan owes him nothing. She doesn't belong to him.

Meanwhile, you are brushing her initial neglectful and callous behaviour under the table - not even alluding to it in fact at all - and slamming him to justify your like of her and dislike of him, whereas I have said on here what he is doing now is wrong and he is now losing the plot.
If Meghan owes him nothing, then the same can be said for him owing her nothing either...relationships are a two - way street. :shrug:

...I really struggle to understand why he would choose to speak publicly to any media about her, as he did in the interview...when he knows this is the exact type thing that hurts her and a huge part of the reason given for her and Harry’s decision...and then to add another layer of hurt, he’s chosen to speak to someone that he knows feels nothing but negativity for her...it’s unfathomable...as a parent, I find that unfathomable...

100%. Can't see how any parent could possibly defend it actually

I don't see how anyone can feel so strongly without knowing all the facts. I think it's terribly sad that a father and daughter have come to this. Apart from that, it's gossip in my view.

This guy has literally sold his daughter down the river ,yet he wants sympathy :joker: :facepalm: the delusion is real.

Hope he enjoys the dirty payouts he's had to bad mouth his daughter and her husband. Everyone is a grown adult, and it's embarrassing how he's behaving.

Meghan & Harry have enough on their plates ,they also have a son to think of. They don't have time for this crap.

....hmmmm, no...it isn’t gossip that Thomas Markle chose to subject his daughter to more media scrutiny by agreeing to and giving an interview with someone who has shown a strong bias toward Meghan...that’s not really gossip at all, it is what it is...

Again... no one knows what Meghan and Harry have time for.

With an 8 month old baby I'm sure you could take a guess. :laugh:

All I know is if I was in Meghan's shoes I'd feel extremely betrayed , he makes it incredibly difficult to sympathise with when he keeps twisting the knife :bored: .