She knew what she was doing when she posted the article, she even turned off the comments on the tweets because she knew what she was doing, it’s funny that a marvellous author wrote lauded and beloved books about a person growing up different but ending up feeling loved, accepted and idolised, can then turn around and try to demean and belittle a whole demographic, just trying to do the same thing, she’s an awful woman with awful opinions, however that Sun front page is diabolical and totally unsurprising for the rag and the abuse she’s getting from Twitter only serves to prove her point, which is what people like her say the things they do, they seek a reaction to back up their ignorance.

It is amazing though that the biggest defenders of her about that front page are charities and spokespeople for the very demographic she seeks to invalidate, who’s really the problem in this scenario?

Absolutely. She chose the platform for the discussion she layed out. She doesn't then get to be upset that it is coming back to haunt her, nor do people complain about it on her behalf.
But also, I don't buy into the theory that the children hired to be in her movies, now adults with their own views and opinions, shouldn't be allowed to stand against her because "they would be nothing with out her". They were hired as children without knowing her views or having the ability to take a political or public stance. They aren't obligated to back any or all views she has today. Even if the franchise was still filming, they would be allowed to have a voice. She doesn't own them.

"women have periods" such a horrible "opinion" to hold

So if a naturally born woman has a hysterectomy... is she no longer a woman?? :think:

Well it’s along the same lines as ‘women can reproduce’ really isn’t it, does that mean women that can’t do those womanly things aren’t women?

"Only women can have periods" isn't the same as "periods define womanhood"

That’s exactly what people are saying though

I mean do you really honestly believe that the objective is to demean trans people rather than be concerned about women's rights? I can't believe people read her statement and came to that conclusion. Look at the woman's past ffs, she's always been left leaning and supportive of minorities, it's clearly taken her a long time to have the guts to feel able to say publicly that she's worried about women's rights. I feel the same, I don't want to make anyone bad about themselves and I don't care how anyone chooses to live their lives.......unless it affects other peoples rights which is what is happening

Not all woman have periods. There are medical or physical reasons they can't or don't.

Sure, but everyone who can have a period is a woman, so the article she was referring to that called women "people who menstruate" could have saved their word count a bit :laugh:

no, it's maybe affecting perceived rights, bit that is a whole discussion on what are rights and what are privileges, how they are defined in each different society and through out the world. Rights can be redefined.

How did you read that from my post?

I said women have periods, I didn't say if you don't have periods you're not a woman. Biologically speaking only women have periods

Is it safe to say that all women have two X chromosomes. Whether they menstruate, or not.

Transwomen are not the same as born women, no matter how they wish they were. That doesn't mean they're worth less than born women, it just means that they are not "the same".

Not all woman can menstruate... does that make it clearer for you?

And biologically speaking, not all women have periods, so it isn't a definition of being a woman

No-one said all women could menstruate :shrug: not even JKR said that.

But what she did say was that everyone who can menstruate is a woman, which pissed people off for some reason.

Again, I never said that, why are you acting like I did. She said women have periods because she objected to being referred to as a person who menstruates, which is demeaning and dehumanising, i totally agree with her.

Yes that is what I believe people are trying to do, we haven’t seen any women’s rights actually be affected by trans people, no rights have been taken away or reversed, what’s happening to trans people now, is the same thing that happened to gay people, they were accused of encroaching on straight rights, they were accused of indoctrinating children, they were accused of trying to take control of society with their ‘perverted ideology’ if women are happy for people to be who they are, why does their existence threaten women in any form of way?

No. That is just how you would like it to be defined or need it to be.

Chromosomes are what print out our genes or genetics. Some are turned on and off in different people. Having X and Y doesn't mean your genes exactly what another X and Y persons are.

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Single sex spaces had to be fought for, and they're compromised by transwomen.

It's not a right being violated per say but dehumanising language like "mestrators" being used instead of "women"

They’re ‘compromised’ by transwomen how?

No it isn't affecting women's rights? So you think Rachel McKinnon isn't encroaching on women's rights then?

Where did I say having periods was the definition of being a woman? You're arguing a point that I haven't made

Transwomen are biologically male. I wonder how many women would be comfortable getting changed around someone who is visibly male?

Aw my mum is called Karen

And does she live up to it? :D

YES WE HAVE. Women have been raped in prisons by "transwomen" Womens sports has been affected by transwomen

And for the record, I don't believe actual trans people are to blame here, I think that men are abusing these loopholes for their own gain

I also believe these issues only started when gender replaced sex

She’s 40 and gobby but she’s not crazy so idk

JK Rowling sadly has a history of transphobic remarks and the whole menstruation thing, while factual, is meant to demean trans women. She's embraced the TERF school of thought sadly.

I think the abuse she's suffered is awful but her timing with going public with her history demeans what she's gone through because it inevitably sounds like she's just talking about it to derail the whole controversy, I don't like saying it but you're going to get people who will say that she's using her past for sympathy which undermines her struggles and other people's struggles with the same issues. It's her story and she decides when to tell it but unfortunately, she probably chose the worst time she could to tell it.

Wow, that Sun front page. The witch hunt is out in full force. Absolutely disgusting.

Nasty word used to shut women down.

The worst part about the entire thing is so called "progressive activists" like Emma Watson coming out just to trot out shallow phrases rather than actually join the discussion.

She wants to do what she holds herself up to be? Then add a meaningful article of your own to support the trans community, or to offer up some form of debate. Just coming out to basically say "Trans women are women" which adds nothing to the conversation other than repeating a phrase as a simple way of saying "FYI I'm not with JK Rowling so don't unfollow and attack me guys" is disingenuous and makes what she stands for laughable.

At least Daniel Radcliffe had the guts to actually write a bloody article (or at least put his name to one).

The same as all the celebs parroting the same "Black Lives Matter" "Act Now" slogans. Not actually doing much for the cause they claim to be so passionate about, simply doing it for the credit without putting the work in. JK Rowling at least stands by and has the charitable foundations to back up her support for many causes.

One of the responses to her tweet got it right "Your feminism is a joke!". From the articles I've read and the responses I've seen the trans community themselves don't even seem to agree with one another on whether what JK actually said was transphobic or not, the majority of the abuse I've seen posted at her on twitter is by white, cis people (all ironically telling her that as a white, cis, woman she shouldn't be allowed her voice which is nonsense). So for her to share a story of abuse and people like Emma Watson just to add to the pile-on and not actively add to the important discussion is really rather disgusting. Society can't change and move on unless people allow opposing thoughts and discussions.

I don't really know enough about trans rights issues to be a regular commenter in these threads, but I think JKR's connections to the Leveson enquiry is a major cause of their attacks on her. Same way they've been going after Coogan again after he called for Leveson to be completed properly.

Their existence does not threaten women in anyway, it may surprise you but transsexuals have been a thing for a while now, no problems.

The problems started occurring when gender replaces sex and suddenly all you need to do is say you're a woman, maybe take some hormones and you can compete competitively in women's sports.... all of a sudden women's records are being smashed, it's at best totally unfair, at worst ****ing dangerous (sports like Rugby/MMA)

It threatens female prisoners when the right to self ID allows you into women's prisons as
a man

It affects childrens rights when it's being campaigned for children to be able to take puberty blockers which can basically **** up their whole lives and make them sterile

I completely forgot about that. As Arista would say, bang on right.

Superb Marsh :clap1:

Well this explains everything :hee:

Some balance from a transsexual themselves. :think:

https://thepostmillennial.com/jk-row...just-sensitive

Making the valid point that if biological sex doesn't exist, kind of invalidates trans people too as they "transition" for a reason.

The claim that JK has poured hatred and justified violence against transpeople is one of the more laughable claims I've heard.

Well said Marsh!