i agree, now we need a new strategy

maybe a requirement to wear masks isn't a bad idea after all, and if we got idiots like ''anti-maskers'' ''viruswaanzin'' we might need to bring it another way than it being a order, but more asking it as a friendly advice to contribute your bit in protecting the elderly and vulnerable

Again I disagree if the advice came again to isolate we would, hence the recent recurrence of panic buying, some are preparing to lock down.

I'm usually the one being accused of not having any faith in brits, but I do. I believe it would be adhered to as it was before to help each other but primarily the vulnerable.

I had 7 days off in the whole of July due to colleagues shielding did you hear me complain about it?
No, because I felt it necessary to pull together. And I would do it again.

restrictions will kind of work up to a point, but a full lockdown would not be followed. People just won't do it ... businesses will be screaming, the government can't afford another furlough ... it will not happen

I'm a bit shocked at the schools gambling with our children's lives before the government and its top scientific advisers gave them the ok.

How were they so sure it would be ok during something that they had no idea what thier actions could cause.

They will do it if it is required, business will just have to adapt . We don't have a choice... It has to happen, this is not going away.

The govt are looking at the German model to replace furlough I read, hopefully that will be successful.

Kids have to go to school Parmy :shrug:... it IS a tough thing to get your head around as a parent, but then, all of it is weighing up benefits vs risks isn't it. I let my 8 year old play out on her bike - she'd be safer in the house where there's no risk of being hit by a car. I let my 11 year old meet her friends on the other side of town - she'd be safer in her room watching Netflix. But social contact is essential as well.

Kids went to school in the 40's when there was a risk of a bomb being dropped on their heads... kids went to school in the US during the cold war when they were being taught how to "duck and cover" incase of nuclear war... kids have gone to school throughout all sorts of things throughout history. The world continues to turn. It won't if we start saying "Uh oh everything isn't perfect, better halt education".

yes, the idea being that employers pay for the time someone works and the government make up the rest if they only work 2 days a week or something .... rather than being if you are furloughed you can't work at anything ... i think it's a good solution ... but thats for a non lockdown society

and you say it like its very simple if business closes ... its not ... and it will not happen again

I didn't say it was simple... I said if required, as in inevitable. I'd bet my car we lock down again before Christmas. ..What do you mean my cars not worth anything?! :fist:

yes good to look at Germany's approach, they have been doing quite well in coronacrisis so far

https://www.thelocal.de/20200923/cov...ts-this-autumn

also here about increasing outdoor seating at restaurants this autumn from them

I think BOTS is right - they can't realistically do another lockdown without furlough, and they simply cannot afford another round of furlough. It won't happen. One of these rumoured "circuit breaker" lockdowns of two weeks? Maybe. That's not really the same thing as Spring though.

Makes little difference to me personally of course, both me and my wife will still be working as normal just like first time round. If they do a 2 week lockdown it'll be when the kids are off anyway (October half term).

Also it wouldn't be QUITE like the first one regardless. NHS services will not close. I'd be very surprised if drive-thru restaurants closed (they only did last time because they weren't set up properly, it was never required).

I don't see high street retail closing either, though it's possible.

Leisure stuff across the board? Probably.

we probably aren't disagreeing much ... there will be further restrictions, i'm in no doubt about that, but it won't go to the close everything down phase we were at before

...very neat swerve with Kizzy’s car question, bots...smart move, I think...

...if you’d made a different move...?..my money would have been on Kizzy...just saying...

There will be no lockdown on the scale of what we had in March, it hasn't happened in any other European country and it won't happen here, we locked down in March to get the house in order, it's in semi order but that will have to do I am afraid

Boris is obviously an avid tibb reader and took note of Nicky's suggestion

Everyone dissing bojo (the labour leader for example) yet I doubt very much any of them would have dealt with this situation any differently, they go on the expert advice they are given apparently :shrug:

Yes I agree with this

Yes, so many giving there take on it but no answers.

I will be dissing Johnson for as long as he fails to really lead.
He is supposed to be LEADING his Country and this Country and it's citizens justly, compassionately and truthfully.
He isn't.

I will not again list ALL the endless list of deceit he's showered all through it or his Ministers.
It's clearly a waste of time to those who'd support him if he created an earthquake.

As for no answers.
Plenty have been given.
Better testing and never to have stopped the testing in the first place as he did in March.

Protection equipment, make sure we had more than needed in January/ February when we saw what was going to hit here after Italy and Spain etc:

It seems it's Johnson who has no answers.
To the procrastination that's lost many elderly loved ones lives in care homes and hospital staff too.

Choose to ignore that if people must, however to those who've lost loved ones just a bit respect for life and those lives lost would just be simply decent.

As for Starmer criticising him.
He's supportive but knows the above is and are things that could have saved lives.

Plus does anyone really believe if Starmer was handling this crisis this way in the calamitous way Johnson has.
That Johnson wouldn't be dissing him.
Of course he would.

So would I be too.
Any leader deceiving the country with such serious matters on this pandemic, such as the lies on protection equipment.
The farcical mess of testing.
The sacrificing of the elderly loved one in care homes.
Only warrants the fury and contempt I feel for him and his Ministers.

I'll say it freely, I'll be dissing Johnson as long as I have to, particularly off this forum too,because I hold him and his Ministers in some part responsible for the deaths way too soon of my own Aunts and friends.
By his failure to prepare this country for this pandemic.
Not getting the right testing in place.

For not ensuring staff and care home elderly were protected with enough protection equipment.

The man is a disgrace.
Those deaths of loved ones due to lack of testing and protection equipment, a national scandal.
Which one day it will be when things finally do catch up with this dangerous deceiver who is PM at present.

You have a very low opinion people on TIBB Joey if you think they would support an earthquake creating man.

I would say a man who gets support of voters to lead a country, who can then preside over a situation of the unnecessary deaths of THOUSANDS of residents in care homes.
Because he didn't ensure enough protection equipment and safe testing was in place, months after knowing this pandemic was coming.
Yet then still gets defended and supported.
On here or off here in the Country at large too.
Well I make no apologies to say that is as bad as an earthquake.

I have my reasons for my intense dislike of this PM and his continuously never ending deceit from him and his Ministers.

You took one line in a whole post just to as usually nitpick.

I honestly now don't care if I get banned from here.
On here all we see is there's hardly any deaths now.
People getting it don't get ill.
Humour on the issue.

Total discounting and near ridicule of those who have been affected by losses to this.
We who have lost really close loved ones, we saw regularly.
Who know the realities of the devastation it can bring at the time, then the hurt and pain left knowing loved ones have been lost before their time.
Not able to be with them as they were ill and dying.
Not able to even go to their funerals

To joke about that, ridicule and nitpick doesn't make me look at any that do in a positive light.
I make no apology for that either.

I stand by every word I said in that post.

I said earlier in the day, I maybe am too close to this issue losing 4 people, and I do hold in some way partly responsible for my losses of loved ones way before their time, this hopeless procrastinating PM and his Ministers all through this pandemic.

So I'd best keep off this thread., before the onslaught arrives to just nitpick on one line or one statement.

I'd hazard a guess if people had my situation of the losses of loved ones unnecessarily, also seeing the pain and devastation left to my other closest and dearest, one very important person will never be the same again who I will now protect with my life, after losing her Sister.

If others had that situation, and accepted as I now know, had people not been returned to care homes untested, just to free up beds in hospitals.
If enough adequate protection equipment been ensured was in place by the government.

Then I'd have had no likely losses of the 4 I have.
I'd guess anyone in that situation wouldn't be any different or not much less, as to having the anger and contempt for those in power, WHO had the power to ensure ALL should be and WAS in place from the first forewarnings in January.

Anyway.
I will keep off this thread now.
I did yesterday after I said I would until criticism of dissing this PM was put forward.
Good lord, if I could get to speak this PM face to face, although he won't meet with bereaved families, NO WONDER he won't.
What I'd like to fire at him then, my earthquake comment would pale into insignificance.

Judge me when you're in my position as to seeing the effects of this virus.
Not on one line in a long detailed post.
However my hope is you, nor anyone else anywhere, is ever in the situation to see the rotten, cruel, endlessly haunting effects of losses of loved ones unnecessarily to this virus.

However I stand by every word in my post.
As I do in this one.

Don't worry though,you won't need to take one line on a post from me on this thread again.
As I'm done posting on it.

Leaving it with my own thoughts and what I believe to be correct.

If so again, I get in bother for defending myself, my actions, my words on here when others can just fire negatively at me with no comeback to them.
Then so be it.

As a footnote, I can't have a low opinion of anyone on here I don't know anyone in person on here.
Mind you, I've been branded an anti-Semitism supporter on here.
Is that not having a low opinion of someone to even infer that?.
Or if it comes from a preferred source to another, does that not matter then as to opinions of others.
I just now find it best to try to avoid some, which equally others here offended by my words can easily avoid me too.
That's our right on here still, well I think it maybe is.

Have a good day parmnion.

I had a bit shout this morning at them.

those conditions don't matter much when infection rates are low which was the case about 3 weeks ago. With infected numbers rising daily, it's a completely different situation now