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arista 13-08-2021 11:18 AM

[On Friday, the Taliban seized the country's
second largest city Kandahar,
the latest provincial capital to fall.

The southern city of 600,000 people was
once the Taliban's stronghold,
and is strategically important as a trade hub.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-58191638



[The Taliban also took the nearby city
of Lashkar Gah and now control about
a third of Afghanistan's provincial capitals.]

arista 13-08-2021 12:09 PM

The 3,000 USA Army
are going to escort all American Civilian & Embassy staff
in safety.

The UK 600 troops
also going there
to escort British Civilian & Embassy Staff.



Meanwhile
The Taliban is going towards Kabul.

arista 13-08-2021 02:10 PM

Lisa Nandy Labour MP
is crazy.

She seems to think the USA/UK
must stay there and help the Afghan Army?

But many of them have left
no longer willing to fight.

arista 13-08-2021 04:58 PM

SkyNewsHD
Johnson PM, who just had a Cobra Meeting
Confirmed no more Combat

ONLY diplomatic talks
take Note Labour MP's

arista 13-08-2021 06:34 PM

Ch4HDnews showed
the Taliban with 3 USA Helicopters
in a Hanger.

joeysteele 13-08-2021 06:42 PM

Well I'd guess a lot of veterans who helped fight in Afghanistan.
Will be thinking what are the losses of their comrades lives for.
What were their own efforts even for.

I actually wouldn't have agreed with going in, in the first place, however now walking callously away leaving goodness knows how many civilians to be ending up being killed.
I think is wrong, totally wrong too.

arista 13-08-2021 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 11083750)
Well I'd guess a lot of veterans who helped fight in Afghanistan.
Will be thinking what are the losses of their comrades lives for.
What were their own efforts even for.

I actually wouldn't have agreed with going in, in the first place, however now walking away leaving goodness knows how many civilians to be ending up being killed.
I think is wrong, totally wrong.


Its all down to One Person

President Biden

He ordered all his troops
out, fast.

arista 13-08-2021 06:46 PM

No way can Nato
take over

joeysteele 13-08-2021 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11083751)

Its all down to One Person

President Biden

He ordered all his troops
out, fast.

He delivered yes, his predecessor's plan to pull out.
Yes however, I think Biden is wrong on this.

Then also, why were we there.
As poodles to the USA or genuinely because we cared, rather than just claim to care.

I see this partly as an abandonment of duty myself.
Which will only bring about more hatred against the West from more Afghans, increasing the likelihood of, from the Taliban's hatred of the West of now more terrorist attacks.

The thing we, in part went in to eradicate hopefully.

Around 2 decades and now heading back to square one.
Nothing at all to be proud of in my view.

bots 13-08-2021 07:57 PM

the americans are adamant that the afghan government have the security forces necessary to maintain their position. We have been training those forces for 20 years. America and nato have also pledged the air power to assist them. There are limits on what forces can do in a country with the terrain that Afghanistan has. We have to accept that and try and ensure that it doesnt become a terrorist haven in the future using intelligence and drone strikes. We have moved on a long way from the technology that was available 20 years ago

joeysteele 13-08-2021 08:51 PM

20 years of advancement in technology haven't stopped the Taliban again reclaiming territory they were driven from over the last 20 years.

Nor is it, although I know it's not a cool thing to care about lost lives at times on here, however nor is that advancement in technology going to stop the killing of innocent civilians in Afghanistan again.
In fact it's not now, as innumerable lives are likely being lost already now.

Technology may have advanced.
It's not much help in this current murderous and terrorism rising again situation.

arista 14-08-2021 04:32 AM

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arista 14-08-2021 04:36 AM

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Oliver_W 14-08-2021 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 11083534)
It's dreadful what's happening to the ordinary Afghan people.

Isn't it about time one of the Islamic countries stepped in?

Do any of them see shariah as a bad thing?

bots 14-08-2021 09:12 AM

The crux of the issue is this .... does Afghanistan pose a present threat to the security of western nations. The answer is no, not at the moment. If that situation changes then we can expect some swift action. Until then, all we can do is let the country sort it's issues out for itself. It's not feasible to prop up a government indefinitely that can't look after itself. It's had 20 years of aid and assistance and that is still continuing, but it's up to the government to have it's own troops and forces on the ground to ensure that law and order is maintained

Livia 14-08-2021 09:49 AM

We've been having our arses kicked in Afghan since the first Afghan war in about 1840. No more British lives should be wasted here, let other Islamic countries sort them out.

arista 14-08-2021 11:50 AM

The Taliban Fighters
are 30miles from Kabul

They have sent instructions
ahead, saying "you must surrender"

joeysteele 14-08-2021 11:57 AM

Really makes you wonder why we went in and interfered in the first place then and stayed there around 20 years under successive governments.

Only to then pack up and leave it and it's innocent citizens to the mercy of , yes, in fact terrorists again.

What a disgrace to the already lost lives of the armed services.
All lost for what , NOTHING.

arista 14-08-2021 12:02 PM

Taliban are now doing deals with China.

Its their nation now.

arista 14-08-2021 02:08 PM

Taliban now
7miles from Kabul.................

arista 14-08-2021 02:12 PM

Labour leader has just said we can not walk away?


Is he Stupid or something?

Once the USA Troops pulled out late at night, fast,
we had to leave fast.

arista 14-08-2021 02:16 PM

The UK 600 Troops are to go in
at the next weekend
but their job is to get out UK civilians and embassy staff.

Cherie 14-08-2021 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 11083972)
Taliban are now doing deals with China.

Its their nation now.

Not good at all

arista 15-08-2021 05:36 AM

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bots 15-08-2021 06:59 AM

the government forces aren't putting up any resistance at all. Many cities have surrendered without a shot even being fired. That says to me that the government isn't legitimate. The future once the government has gone will be local clans fighting each other and thats going to be imminent

MTVN 15-08-2021 07:24 AM

The posts here about 'all for nothing' do seem pretty accurate right now, 20 years of fighting for positive change in the country reversed in a matter of weeks

It's not always felt this way but there had been a lot of progress as well, think of the number of girls in Afghanistan who were able to get an education again, the people who were able to vote for the first time, the success of things like the Afghan cricket team in the last ten years. All things that will now be outlawed and instead Afghanistans biggest export will be terrorism again

bots 15-08-2021 07:41 AM

it's a lot easier for western nations to justify intervention when there is a direct terrorist threat to them. It's going to be a cyclic thing i think. The last time, the taliban had all the left over russian military hardware to boost their defences. Now they have the updated american gear. It's going to be grim

MTVN 15-08-2021 08:20 AM

The Taliban are now in Kabul meeting no resistance, looks like total surrender

bots 15-08-2021 08:21 AM

Reports saying the taliban have entered kabul and there was no resistance


Cherie 15-08-2021 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 11084122)
The posts here about 'all for nothing' do seem pretty accurate right now, 20 years of fighting for positive change in the country reversed in a matter of weeks

It's not always felt this way but there had been a lot of progress as well, think of the number of girls in Afghanistan who were able to get an education again, the people who were able to vote for the first time, the success of things like the Afghan cricket team in the last ten years. All things that will now be outlawed and instead Afghanistans biggest export will be terrorism again

I understand that but my understanding was that they were training the local forces to keep control and they have literally done nothing ....and where are those educated girls now and what will happen to them

joeysteele 15-08-2021 08:36 AM

Rory Stewart who knows Afghanistan like the back of his hand.
On TV this morning has stated the Taliban takeover would be rapid because the air power of the USA and UK was needed to protect the gains we'd help make and head off the Taliban.

Now it seems to me then, with Iran, Pakistan and again Afghanistan the area again is once again, an extremely worrying and dangerous one with an again even bigger breeding ground for terrorists and building up that terrorism too.

What a legacy to leave after 20 years.
The fear there must be now in those Afghan citizens who believed we'd helped give them a more free and maybe secure future, must be unimaginable.

arista 15-08-2021 08:36 AM

Yes, they are allowing those that want to leave
can now leave via the Military airport.

bots 15-08-2021 08:38 AM

the afghan pm put out a statement saying the taliban werent in kabul and they were ready to secure the city .... the guy is clearly just a liar

arista 15-08-2021 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 11084142)
the Afghan pm put out a statement saying the taliban werent in kabul and they were ready to secure the city .... the guy is clearly just a liar


Telling his troops to Fight?
He should join them.

arista 15-08-2021 08:43 AM




Some are fighting

arista 15-08-2021 08:51 AM

Brave Stuart Ramsey
in Kabul
reporting for SkyNewsHD.

The only way out is the Airport, now

arista 15-08-2021 09:05 AM

Taliban want all women to be moved
to safe places in Kabul?



Stuart Ramsey reported from
his Hotel in Kabul.

MTVN 15-08-2021 09:15 AM



Must be pretty terrifying for all reporters and British/American staff there, only 3 days ago they were still saying Kabul could hold out for a year

Cherie 15-08-2021 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 11084151)


Must be pretty terrifying for all reporters and British/American staff there, only 3 days ago they were still saying Kabul could hold out for a year



Well then

MTVN 15-08-2021 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11084139)
I understand that but my understanding was that they were training the local forces to keep control and they have literally done nothing ....and where are those educated girls now and what will happen to them

Fair point and the capitulation is pretty staggering. I know we've still been there but our involvement has been pretty limited for years and the country has seemed relatively stable. Can only think there was such a lack of confidence in their government and their superiors that most of the Afghan army haven't thought it was worth fighting to protect


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