Just to clarify this part: I did not say that “terrorism mainly targets women”. I said that incel groups mainly (pretty much exclusively) target women with their hatred and violence. And that when these people take action, it is terrorism. I know that it isn’t “in the eyes of the law” - THAT IS THE PROBLEM. Swept under the carpet. Hopefully not for much longer.

You countered that by pointing out that religious terrorist groups are largely indiscriminate in their attacks, for some reason, which has absolutely no bearing on what I said.

Why when White people shoot people its mental health but when a non white person shoots someone they are a terrorist, its clear cut racism.

Anyone who goes out of their way to terrorise people or places are terrorist

I fully agree with this; any hatred-fuelled attack that has the goal of causing misery and midnless destruction is clearcut terrorism. Whether or not the terrorist has mental health problems is completely besides the point; as I said above, with the perpetrators of Islamic Extremist attacks - if you could take one alive and dig around for a while - you would almost certainly discover that their mental health is in tatters... because that's part of the radicalisation process. It's very difficult to radicalise mentally healthy people whether that's into an Islamic cell or an Incel group. "Are terrorists in general mentally healthy" is a totally separate debate; and the quick answer for me is "well obviously not" however that does not mean they are pathologically mentally ill. "Poor mental health" and "mental illness" aren't the same thing.

You are free to believe what you want, obviously. I'm sure you have the privilege of it not affecting you either. I didn't say I didn't care, those were your words.

I'm just stating the other side of the argument that it might not be this.

No they're not as I have said many times in this thread.

Here we go, the racist card

Regardless of colour terrorism is political whether you're black, white or pink

It's not clear cut at all

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, to quote you

Go and read PACE.

Anyway, I'm bored of this forum generally.

Will follow Ammi.

Ta, ta

There have been at least 3 random knife attacks in London which have not been deemed terrorist in nature but due to mental health issues so that’s not exactly true

Some reports say he was on the Autistic Spectrum.
That would explain alot.

No Thomas keep posting
all views are valid

I have two daughters and kids who are buying into this world have affected her already. She's 12 years old.




I've already told you that I'm perfectly aware of the PACE definition and that I disagree with it and think it's part of the problem, I don't know how much clearer I could have been, but perhaps you didn't read or bother understanding it, much like you haven't read or understood anything about "intel" before flapping your gums on a topic you have literally zero knowledge of.

here it is again incase you're still here.

As there is no picture of the 'Dog walker' victim....it could be that not all their relatives have been informed yet.

Dont leave Thomas....use the ignore button and debate with the people you want to. :hug:

It seems he had issues going back for some years so who thought it was an idea to give him use of a gun

The definition of terrorism according to the Internet.

"The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

The guy admits that he was an Incel, and then eventually kills 5 people with three of them being women. Plus he did use violence and intimidation against civilians.

Basically whichever way you look at it it's terrorism, and in my unofficial way of classifying terrorism, going around and shooting five people dead at what seemingly appears to be random with four of his victims should count as terrorism imo.

But under the UK law we aren't following the official definition of terrorism if we don't class this guy as a terrorist.

Your 12 year old Daughter has met Incel's? That's awful.

Absolutely disgusting
And the gunman sounds like a lunatic geeez

You came in like a breath of fresh air and your leaving like a silent fart

Well obviously not actual "incels" (at 12 you would hope that they are ALL celibate) but yes at least two boys with YouTube/TikTok accounts that are, essentially, full of frustration, hatred and ranting directed at women/girls. That's the worrying thing really - I doubt they're on redpill/blackpill forums themselves but the rhetoric is filtering down into "the mainstream". MRA stuff ("It's men who have it worst/women are unsympathetic") is absolutely ALL OVER TikTok for example. Most of them aren't the "hardcore" ones you'd find on 4chan or Reddit but they're picking up these ideas from other Social Media, and the terms/language being used is always the same, so it's coming from the same source (mostly Reddit).

That's so scary TS and I agree with your posts in here, this should absolutely be considered a terror attack, I think its important that it's considered that so that awareness of those kind of groups online is raised, they are grooming and radicilising men online and are dangerous

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How many times a year do you and Dezzy come out with the line "You have no idea what you're talking about"

It's quite a few.

Why is it that you and Dezzy know everything about everything and you always like to remind us that you know things and nobody else does?

He didn't even know the word "incel", Alf, and repeatedly said "intel". He had no idea what he was talking about.

Idiot parents leaving their kids to be raised by the internet are responsible for so many damaged people tbh

In the chat rooms and forums dedicated to the extreme incel misogynistic subculture, Jake Davison was praised as a "saint" on Saturday night.

In a series of bizarre and invariably deeply offensive comments, the Plymouth mass shooting was hailed as marking the beginning of a new "season" of attacks by young men filled with hatred towards women.

One incel – an involuntary celibate – expressed disappointment that Davison's "score", or the number of people he had killed, was not higher.

Another warned that he feared Davison's murders could erode the rights of British incels to arm themselves to carry out more attacks. Many blamed women who had spurned Davison's advances as responsible for his actions.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...rshails-saint/

Unbelievable really

Its like from a novel and not real life

they really must re-classify this type of attack as terrorism so that it gets the priority and action it needs

It’s really sad that a group that was started innocently to find support has morphed into this level of evil

Yikes!:worry:

I agree with both of you on this.

And tbh anybody that's grooming kids into the Incel ideology should be arrested imo.

The police must have a good idea who these people are and where they can be found, and of course they could trace them through the Internet. Round them up and make a bloody example of them. They have no right to a place in a decent society.

I've already had the police in touch with me about my shotgun, wanting to come and check it's being kept properly... not the first time they've checked either. I bet everyone with a licence is now going to get a knock on the door and looked at like they're some kind of moron. Let's hope they tighten the rules to get a licence.

This guy on Youtube covers Incels in this video, I thought that it was an interesting watch.



He isn't talking about this case specifically, but he tries to give an analysis on Incels in general and trying to get more insight into how they think.

Involuntary celibate.
Does this mean they can’t get a shag, therefore they hate all women?

Most of them seem to have that toxic mindset,but I think others just feel sorry for themselves.

pretty much. Looking at most of them, their chances would improve markedly if they had a shower and a shave, but that would involve them making an effort

Yes in a nutshell, if no one fancies them it’s the woman’s fault

Gunman in Plymouth…
 

In short, yes, but it’s more complex than that in that it attracts people who are just feeling a bit lost and sorry for themselves (and who would have perfectly normal love lives if they spent a little time on themselves, even just emotionally) and indoctrinates them into ideas that it’s hopeless, there’s no point trying to improve, women owe them something, that they’re doomed, and at the extreme end that they should be angry at women/the world (it often extends to hating men who do have partners, they are also targets of hatred) and that they should ultimately “do something about it”.

That’s what makes it radicalisation/extremism and the violent action terrorism. Yes it’s individuals with warped views and poor self esteem but that is taken by a group with a very clear ideology, their own terminologies, basically a religion in every sense other than being “mystical” and it’s weaponised.

Like I said I really see it as no different at all to other forms of violent extremism.

I really fit in with the Incels on the shave part.:joker:

I look like a ****ed up looking Country Singer at the moment.:joker:

I really don't get how not having sex with women seems to get them so bent out of shape? I know that it clearly bothers them, but it's not the end of the world if you don't get laid.

[Five people shot by a gunman in Plymouth
were unlawfully killed, an inquest jury
has concluded.
Jake Davison killed his mother and four other people,
including a three-year-old girl, with a pump-action shotgun
in Keyham in August 2021.]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-64674901



[Jurors at a five-week inquest held at
Exeter Racecourse gave their conclusions
today]