In the USA there are Charities
that can help.

How would you dealt with incest? Would you expect a 13 year old to carry her fathers or brothers baby?

That is not the answer :idc: not every family is comfortable with charity

The ‘freest country in the world’ just loves taking its citizens freedoms away from then doesn’t it

Alabama does, unsurprisingly

Look, there are smiling Medical Doctors
appearing on CNN HD
backing this change.


They do admit, however, it could be tougher on Black Mothers.



Life In The City.

No, its more like
one of the Freest countries in the world.



It is also a "New" Nation,
there was a fantastic time, when we ran the top half of America

there will be so many knock on effects from this, and it's not an issue that is going to go away. America was already fractured, but this will make it much, much worse

Its their democratic system in operation and as such in every state they have the power to change it if that is the will of the people.

yeah i know and the truth is that the major population centres are all democrat, so there is no change there. However, an indicator of a forward thinking country is the freedoms that it offers it's people. This is the equivalent of the taliban taking control

Like guns its futile to try and judge USA by our standards

I am sure Putin is laughing however

:skull:

I get the whole adoption thing, but it is not the answer for childless couples to force a woman to take a pregnancy to full term, give birth and then hand the child over, I don’t think some men understand the connection that forms as the pregnancy advances, feeling the baby kick and the bond that forms, not to mention having to give birth to a child you will never hold, it’s one thing to enter a surrogacy arrangement with free will, it’s entirely different for someone who you might not even have voted for to decide you as a woman have to carry this child to term ...no mention of maintenance by the Dad either....they get off Scot Free as per

There are hundreds of thousands of children in the system waiting to be adopted, why don’t the pro-lifers give those children homes rather than forcing people to bring even more unwanted children into the world.

I actually don’t even consider these people pro-life tbh, they’re pro-birth, they don’t give a **** what happens to a person after they’re born

I guess they think that they deserve to be born when they have been conceived by actual living humans?

who have choice to make them

99.99999999999999999999999% of the time

A wee baby about to be born. No it's inconvenience. Kill it

A repeat paedo..NO he must live we can't kill people.

:skull:

So is it fair to say you support this, LT?

You knock yourself out Slim

Just asking a question. Being anti-abortion is a semi-understandable position. Not judging you for it.

I'd stick to expressing your own opinions slim

Let's face it

They are the ones you love the mostest after all

Lol

Weird reply, but ok. You could have just not bothered replying to the original question rather than trying to be a dick about it. Enjoy your evening.

Im usually quite open minded when it comes to anything really, not this though. Even Guns, i can, at times see the argument. But this is something i will always be 100% against.

Abortion should be a basic woman's right, the US truly is disgusting at times. It's getting worse too.

Im gonna get passionate, and personal here. When i 16 my girlfriend became pregnant (also 16). She wasn't ready, i wasn't ready, our home lives were a mess, she was about to go into sixth form. I had just started a really good job, well paid for a 16 year old. We were not ready for a child, it wouldn't of been fair on the child. We stayed up all night and day discussing it, and came to the right conclusion in the end. My girlfriend went on to get an abortion. I have no regrets. I felt guilty at the time, but looking back it was completely the right thing to do.

Judge me all you like. I don't care. It's a woman's body, it's HER choice. It's NOT 'murder' either.

A very, very sad, dark day for the US.

Truth, it's a bitch

Absolutely disgusting decision. The states is falling to pieces

Not really. The way US. “Democracy” works means that the majority will of the people doesn’t necessarily reflect in election results.

" The way US democracy works"

Yes, it does

One vote

One human

If you have something better..

But that’s specifically NOT how the US system works LT. You’re describing a pure democracy. The US is not a pure democracy. Some people’s votes are worth over 10x others… that’s what I was talking about :think:

No,
that's fair of you to share.

People shouldn't judge until they are in that position. As you said you did what was right for you all at the time. It doesn't sound like you made that decision lightly and the decision you made was for the right reasons. :hug:

When I was 16, 2 of my best friends got pregnant around the same time. They both came to speak to my mum about it (one's mum had passed away and one had abandoned her family). One kept the baby,one made the decision to terminate. My mum always said that the one who made the decision to terminate made the tougher,but ultimately fairer decision all round. The one who kept the baby was the one who had lost her mum very shortly before getting pregnant. She tried to replicate the mother/child bond instead of dealing with her grief. She spent years and years struggling for money and struggling with her mental health. It was very sad to watch.

I spent years and years (and thousands of pounds) struggling to have a child but I am absolutely pro-choice. Children are a blessing but they need love, nurture and a stable life in order to thrive. If that cannot be provided or they were conceived in a situation that is out of the control of the mother, then sometimes termination is the only option for some.

I don't believe in abortion as a form of contraception or late on in pregnancy (unless for dire medical reasons).

Great post Annie

yes, i think ultimately, if a sizeable group are no longer able to make their own choices on how they live their lives, then that country no longer has a free society. They have criminalised women's behaviour, not men's and that is a shocking backward step for a country that is supposed to be the leader of the free world

The idea that women should be forced to stay pregnant to fulfil the wishes of a childless couple is very Gileadesque

The blunt truth is most childless couples want the child to have at least one of the parents genes and science can provide that today

especially victims of rape :umm2:


imagine if that baby when born also ending up to look like the person who raped you :yuk:


USA really going to new lows by the day it seems

Believe it or not it gets even worse as it opens up the possibility that terminations will be illegal even when the pregnant woman’s health is at serious risk or even when there’s a significant risk of death. In practice some of these states will probably implement laws where medical terminations are allowed when the mothers life is at risk - but not all of them - and even in the ones that do it’ll be down to doctors to decide what’s “acceptable risk” with the choice taken completely out of the woman’s hands. It’s a completely horrific situation.

There’s plenty of philosophical debate to be had around being “pro” or “anti” abortion but that’s completely separate to the legalities of it. People who are anti-abortion should focus on contraception campaigns and education so that fewer people are in the terrible position of having to make that choice in the first place - not try to remove the choice. Or in terms of adoption, focus on setting up clearer, simpler routes to adoption and again education campaigns that might make people more inclined to CHOOSE that for themselves.

And here’s an absolutely wild suggestion; how about having a society that has the social and financial support systems in place for potential mothers to feel like they could have and raise a baby without having to worry about how they’ll both survive and thrive. It’s an absolute fact that there would be far fewer abortions if people were confident that they would be supported; financially, with good quality childcare, with access to education (again both in financial terms and with access to good quality childcare support).

But nah no one has time for any of that, just ban it and everyone else can figure out the rest.

the real problem is you have the likes of Biden saying they will make every effort to overturn it, when everyone knows he is anti abortion himself. It's playing politics at the ultimate level of deception

I think the elephant hiding in the shadows in the corner is that, like a lot of large political moments in recent memory, this seems practically designed to further stoke the culture wars and associated divisions.

I believe there’s a sound ire of Trump floating around where he states that “if Roe vs Wade was to be overturned” (so made prior to it happening) it would ultimately be a massive net negative for the Republicans in the US. Basically he thinks it’ll flip a lot of swing voters to Blue.

If this analysis is right, then the democrats actually stand to benefit from this, so long as they keep making the right noises.

He is useless, but he's also said his religious views have no right to infringe upon the rights of others.