Adult women in their twenties have minds of their own.....Paraded around? You make them sound like helpless dumb animals in a circus.
Mother nature played a nasty trick on men, giving us cocks and those damn sex drives. And eyes.
And didn’t even have the compassion to turn us into eunuchs when we reach 45 or so…..:laugh:

I enjoyed reading your posts on this subject tonight Mock. Good stuff! :clap1:

Thanks Jet.:blush:

It's probably not good for the Forum having myself and QB debating on polar opposite viewpoints in this situation.:laugh:

We're both stubborn bastards.:joker:

That's not what I asked.

It's as ridiculous as having some twenty year old boys in Speedos walking the women dart players onto the stage. Gratuitous objectification.

If guys want to do that and the women's Darts were open to the idea, then why not?

Because it gives the mistaken impression that people who look a certain way and dress in tight, skimpy clothes can be objectified because of the way they look. I would be horrified to see my daughter when she grows up, leered at by old men with a pint in their hand. To me, it's no different to a men following a young woman down the street, commenting and wolf whistling. Women are accomplished and multi-faceted, they're not here solely for the gratification of men.

I remember how popular the chippendales and the dream boys used to be.

I think the operative term there is "used to be".

Two completely different things surely walking down the street minding your own business and putting yourself in a situation where you are paid to do so? That said Darts currently have pom pom girls who dance on the stage as the players are walking on, no one pays them any attention, the audience are focussed on the Darts player they are like the warm up act at a gig, practically invisible, we really cant choose how women like to get paid because it doesnt suit us or we wouldnt want family members to do it, I think its as Parm said earlier more of a boost to the betting company who sponsor the event to give them more exposure as Darts audiences dont pay all that money to see women walking around in a dress given they could get much more free on pornhub or whatever, its the same argument as women only watch football to look at muscly men, just inane

Anyhoo I will be buying a blind fold for Mr C and will only remove it when play commences .....:fist:

Men are used to oggling women, whether the woman is paid or not. It sets a norm, I think.

Just let Mr C look at one of them... Tight dress, big bobs, pumped up lips... They all look pretty much the same. And if I want muscley men I'll watch the rugby tyvm....

Nice to see you've not changed your name while I was away... I'm playing a who's who catch up!

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I see both sides of the debate really. Fundamentally I think it's a pretty harmless practice and while it might be a bit sad and a bit pervy the reality is that you'll never be able to completely de-sexualise society. Saying that I don't think it's needed and it doesn't really add anything. I've almost never heard people lamenting the absence of walk on girls since they were scrapped

Is a niche male dance group comparable to scantily clad women standing around at sports events? If you want to see male strippers, you can go to see male strippers. If you want to see female strippers, you can go to see female strippers. It's not comparable.

Personally I don't see anything sexy about a bunch of greased up muscle men dancing around in collar and cuffs and little else. And I guarantee they will not cause me to "lose my damn mind". I saw the Dreamboys at an airport once, wandering around in t.shirts with DREAMBOYS emblazoned on them in case anyone missed them. They looked... thick. Just my opinion of course.

You look like a real fan, Parm.

Comparing walk on girls at darts events, to Andrew Tate pimping out young women is bloody ridiculous. Have a word with yourself. Andrew Tate used, manipulated, promised riches, and a better life to tons of women. He went after vulnerable girls in countries where human rights are a joke, used them, and payed them next to nothing.

I don't really watch darts, but the PDC, and the bookies who sponsor it all, and Sky who air it, are massive organisations with proper safeguarding in place. They are not promised the world, or a "way out" like Tate did to all his women. They're merely offered a job. They are not asked to perform sex acts on stage are they?!!

Literally, it's completely up to the women. If they're fine with it, and don't feel objectified then who are we to judge? Also, the irony of a middle aged man telling the women they are "wrong" in this thread, and that the MAN knows better is bloody hilarious too. And sad.

But the darts women aren't scantily clad, they have nice dresses on akin to a business meeting attire or something you would see on a saturday evening on strictly..

I went once, wanted to deep fry them all.

Lol... Now that i would buy a ticket to watch.

it really all depends on the environment. Will it be professional or seedy

We'll agree to disagree there Mock; I think you're still (relatively?) young and that you realise that 50 year olds drooling over women in their 20's is not normal nor should it be socially acceptable, and I hope that the old gents on here arguing hard to the contrary doesn't give you the idea that it is normal. It is, in fact, normal to find people in your own age bracket more attractive than people young enough to be your own children.

But like I said I think you're still a relatively young man so it's not really possible to say how you'll see it when you're approaching middle age.

I hope for the best. Don't be like this lot :joker:.

Business meeting attire!! Come on Parmy you're pulling our legs now surely :laugh:.

They're dressed to show off their cleavage and legs; you do understand that, surely. And it's not even that there's anything wrong with that in itself. It's the reason for it, and the intended audience, that makes it an issue.

It is inherently seedy.

The majority of men find young women attractive. That doesn't need to be pervy and seedy like you are implying. Some might say it says more about you than it does about others. To suggest that that older men can't find young people attractive and interesting without lusting after them is insulting

Are you genuinely suggesting that this is the purpose of darts walk-on girls? You cannot be. Surely.

If it "says more about me" that I never even slightly view 20 year olds as someone that I would have any non-platonic interest in whatsoever then I will gladly accept what it "says" about me, and I hope you're wrong that "most men" aren't looking at them with non-platonic attraction, but hey, I suspect you're probably right.

Which is grim. Grim.

Christ alive, if infantilising grown women was an Olympic sport QB would take gold, this is actually some insanely infantile, teenage twitter sjw nonsense

It's not about infantilising anyone it's about people drooling over people young enough to be their children. But then, I recall you being fully accepting of 50 year old Philip Schofield grooming 16 year old boys "cos it's legal" so I'm not surprised you feel this way Liam.

It's also an aside because the dart "walk-on girls" would be exploitative, gross and misogynistic no matter what age the women were. It's just an additional level of slime that 60 year old men want it to be women in their late teens and early 20's. A similar slime to middle-aged-men wining and dining teenage boys, funnily enough.

Also not going unnoticed that the one time Liam is aligning with the older forum chaps - who he's usually out in full riot gear to combat - is when it's to defend male exploitation, objectification and commoditisation of women.

"lol".

Like I said, OnlyFans all over again.

:idc:.

Tbf you do keep hammering home the 'could be their children' point and called them nonces so that is a bit infantilising to equate it with paedophilia. Most walk on girls are probably mid to late 20s

Edit - in fact the ones in question here are mid 30s!

You’re coming across really unhinged like you do around any subject of sex or women doing whatever they want to, you seem to have a massive problem with women living their lives however they want to, your vision of what women should be and what they should do perfectly align with the old sexist chaps and the likes of Tate you’re regularly railing against.

It’s incredibly condescending to tell adult women that they’re naive or being exploited if they chose to do a career you believe is immoral because you have an obscured sense of purity and morality

Comparing people to sex offenders because they find adult women attractive, it’s ****ing insane

Daniella Allfree and Charlotte Wood are the two walk on girls who'll be doing this event. Google thinks they're 36 years old

Don’t look at the 36 year old children! They’re being exploited!

"Being against the objectification and hypersexualisation of women is sexist! Saying that porn and prostitution is the prime example of objectification and commoditisation of women is actually denying them the right to choose a career!!!"

...shouted the fellowship of male TiBB members, in newly found harmony...

How the tables turn eh Liam :joker:. Don't worry, I was already aware that being a "SWERF" isn't au fait with the community.

... Also feel free to continue to ignore the fact that I've already said it's not about age.

If it helps at all Liam, it's also not about gender; males being exploited and objectified is just as bad, and it does happen. It's just much, much, much more rare.

Funnily enough though...

...it is usually younger men being objectified and turned into a trading commodity...

......and it is usually older fellows doing the buying. ;)

Free Market Capitalism at it's finest, you old Tory you :joker:

A thread where SB/TS/QB thought he could freely hate on white middle aged men (again) has turned into an expose of his hateful intolerance of well, just about anyone man and woman..

Its always the self-proclaimed "liberals" who end up being the actual bigots...

:skull:

No no it's still just the dirty old men :)

[edit] FFS I've just realised who you are under a new name :rolleyes: I was hoping you were in one of Starmer's cells. Is that why you've gone incognito, or is it just 'cos of that thread where everyone said your old name sounded like a butt dildo?

Yes, treating women who choose certain careers like they don’t have the agency of adult women to choose those careers because they’ve obviously been abused or manipulated into doing the careers by evil, exploitative men is sexist and demeans adults abilities to make their own decisions.

You seriously become quite deranged whenever you discuss these things, you’re always high and mighty about everything you post about, but this takes it to the next level

They're not all manipulated into doing it by dirty old men, they just wouldn't have anyone paying for it if the world wasn't full of dirty old men. What's hard to grasp about this, Liam?

And unsurprisingly he ventures off into thinly veiled homophobia, like he does whenever he gets challenged on his opinions by gay men