I wouldn’t even bother going down this route and I’m kinda struggling how there can be some sort of case here tbh.

If I were you Kate and apologies for sounding blunt but I’d cut ties with the so called “friend” because she must be a pretty awful person to do something like that and just find a different pub to go to. There must be other pubs local to you that you can enjoy?

Wouldn’t bother trying to take this further or anything because it’s more hassle for you than what it’s actually worth. (Just my opinion of course :thumbs:)

I agree with Dog, it’ll be more hassle than it’s worth and may not even bring you any outcome you’re hoping for.

Agree with these guys. Theres no case Kate. As for the police, unless one of you claims the money was stolen, the police will not get involved. Any kind of agreement for a loan etc is not a criminal matter.

i'm sorry but if a landlord chooses to prevent you from entering his bar, he is entitled to do so. He doesn't need a reason, he doesn't need to listen to both sides, and i'm sure Citizens advice would have told you this

It does feel to me that you are only giving out one small portion of a story here. Why must you go to that pub in particular?

I'm sorry but that's the whole story. That's all there was to it? The friendship is now over. As for the pub, I like it. I like the food, the atmosphere is good. I did nothing wrong to merit being excluded. I am rightfully annoyed.

but its not your pub. The landlord decides who can enter, and he doesn't need to provide any reason to exclude you

Yes, but to repeat, I did nothing at all wrong. And I wasn't aggressive, I just left the pub very quickly. It's very unfair. I don't expect you'd like it if it happened to you.

I can't believe people are implying I've no right to be annoyed I've been excluded for something I simply didn't do.

What were you accused of doing?

My so called friend gave me ten pounds as a treat because I helped her out financially last week and then turned on the waterworks to the bar staff and said she'd lent it to me and I wouldn't give it back. So they barred me. She made me look really bad. It's all in the thread, you haven't even read it?

No need for that Kate. I'm trying to help but the details are a little confusing. At one point you said that both of you had given money as a gift so forgive me if I'm not up on all the facts. Thanks for restating the issue.

SO the accusation was that the money given to you was a gift and not a loan. How did the pub get involved? Was the money give by you ever considered a loan or was it just the money you received not the money you gave.?

EDIT: See how confusing it is. I got it wrong. That should read the "accusation was that the money given to you was a loan and not a gift.

Let’s try not to waste government funded legal help on being barred from a private business shall we

I understand your frustration here. I was in a situation before where a pub kicked me and my friends out for rolling tobacco. They thought we was rolling weed. I even remember saying to them that if we were doing that, wouldn’t it be stupid to be doing it directly on the table and secondly you would actually smell it as well.

They kicked us out and instead of taking it further we just thought sod it there’s another pub 15 mins away, let’s just go there instead. There’s no point staying angry about it just find somewhere else you can enjoy.

Didn’t return to that pub for years afterwards and I remember my cousin saying once that he was in there with a few of his friends and they legit wanted to kick them out for laughing. :laugh:

No. Sorry GiRTh, I just feel like people are getting at me.

Ok to clarify, the money I gave her last week was a gift. 25 pounds. I didn't want it back. Then she gave me 10 in the pub, and said here's a treat to say thank you. So.i accepted it. Later she involved the bar staff by going crying to them saying I'd asked.to borrow it and wouldn't give it back. On those grounds they barred me.

Excuse me. Would you not be aggrieved if you were barred for something you hadn't done? Because somebody lied about you?

Thanks for clearing it up.

Can I ask how did she involve the bar staff ? I'm still at a loss at how the pub got involved. Was there an argument between the two of you? How did they get to know about the situation then bar you?

No there was no argument. She went to the bar and cried crocodile tears and made the allegation. We were all confused when the manager came over and kicked me out.

She sounds awful did you see this type of behaviour before from her? When the landlord kicked you out did he say it was because of what the other woman said. I still think it was a bit of an overreaction for them to bar just you so I'm fishing for anything else that might have happened to influence their decision

Did any of the other ladies hear her say the money was a treat? I can't see what kind of legal case you could have but if the pub is part of a brewery, you could write to the Head Office and make a formal complaint against the barring and see if they will reverse it, giving the reasons you think you were unfairly dealt with if you don't think it's worth speaking again to the landlord now the dust has settled. :shrug:

No she's always been absolutely lovely. I was confused and shocked. He said I'd upset a customer and told me to leave and not come back. The others.were confused as well as she gave me the money discreetly so they didn't know what on earth was going on. I did try to speak but he just walked away so I left.

I may be going out on a limb here but if true, and it's a big if,

I'd wager the other lady may have a very different tale to tell...

And the pub

The landlord told you that you had upset a customer but would not hear your side. This is even more confusing and I think you've got every right to be angry.

As Annie has said, try going to the pub franchise as I would imagine this is not how they would like their pubs to be run.

You say she gave you the money discreetly. So whats the time line? How long after giving you the money did she complain to the bar staff. Thats another thing, did she complain to the bar staff or directly to the manager.

You're not helping. :fist:

The other lady, not that she is a lady tbh, has since begged my forgiveness and said she doesn't know why she did it? However I'm done with her. I won't be treated that way when I was so generous with her. You believe what you want, but it's very spiteful amd nasty minded of you.

WTF these are new details. You still see her after what she did?

An hour after giving me the money. She complained to the bar staff. They told the manager.

No, she rang me up. I'll never see her again.

She told the bar staff and they escalated it to the manager. She must have spun quite a story.

Can you think of any motivation she may have had to do this?

…(…I guess…)…because the pub manager/staff didn’t ask for your story of the event, Kate…and just barred you on what the lady had said and didn’t allow you a voice…?…it could be seen as being a discriminatory action and that’s why the CAB person felt you may have a legal case…?….but I still feel that possibly having a case and going ahead with that case is something for you to consider carefully and decide…

No I'm totally bewildered by the whole thing still. She actually cried!

Agree with this. Kate, there is no case here. You've been treated unfairly but you cannot prove it was discriminatory.

No, I don't think it was discriminatory. I am reluctant to take it further really. I just hate injustice and liars. They were swayed by her crying.

The fact she was crying for such a small issue may hint to some mental health issues. Has there been any hint of this over the years. Actually, how long have you known her and how do you know her?

…well, if it’s any consolation…(…and I know that it isn’t right at this moment…)…she’s lost a group of friends and if anything similar were to ever happen again within another group…?…it would be doubtful that they would be swayed again…

I've known her over a year. I used to sit with her at bingo, I found her really pleasant, and a nice lady. When I stopped going a few of us included.her started going to the pub. I'm done with her now though. It's unforgivable.

SHe sounds quite manipulative.

Back to the incident, correct me if wrong. You gave her the money and a hour later she was telling the bar staff. Did anything happen between those two events? What do you believe she told the bar staff?

No it was her who gave me the money, 10 pounds. I gave her 25 last week remember? Cos she said she was struggling to pay bills. I believe she told the bar staff I'd taken money from her and wouldn't give it back.

This implies she told them you stole it. This is making more sense now. Thanks for restating as I still am a bit confused as the order of events.

I'm still not getting a motivation, hence why I say she's manipulative. No beef ever?

No beef ever. Totally out of the blue. The others were all mystified as well. It felt like it wasn't really happening. I was in shock when I left. As Ammi said she's lost a circle of friends. I can't forgive it.

i've been barred from more pubs than i can count in my student youth :laugh:

As i said, there is no legal path to you being allowed to return to the pub, so you were misinformed if you think you can legally do anything about it