From the river to the sea explicitly means the erasure of the Israeli state.

Look, I have no skin in the fight there either way, my general view is get the kids out that are being used as human shields and let the two bronze age zealot cults have at it, but I do expect people to be honest when discussing it.

Palestine has no weapons, food, resources, nothing, it's not an equal fight. People are eating tins of cat food.

I didn't say it was equal. I see that you swerved acknowledging the meaning of 'from the river to the sea though'.

You are aware of the breadth of the conflict though and the mass attacks on Israel?

TBC, I am not pro Israel at all, I actually dislike zionism a lot, but I do think that we need to cut through the noise to have a proper discussion about it and that means being honest about both sides.

Can I ask, how do you balance your views on trans rights against the chronic state of LGBT rights within Palestine?

Ali wasn't, by her own words, aware of the significance of the iconography that she chose to wear on national TV.

Says it all really. Uninformed just enough education to be dangerous people waving flags because it's the current thing never ends well.

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This isn't the place for such discussions.

Why don't you take it to serious debates?

The thread is clearly about this discussion. This discussion is surely what Ali wanted to create by wearing it? The discussion being had is directly related to the show.

Police someone else, I'm not interested.

You Are Wrong


Ali
went Political Illegal

The whole season was set up to be political.. From Nathan to Khaled to Daze to Ali... Some suggesting we can't have discussions here around those issues is missing half the show as intended by the producers is ridiculous.

Can I just say here also that the production team examine all the clothing of the HMs before they go in. They allowed the shirt to go through and they allowed it to be shown on screen. This was all intentional.

Yes Jess
it is terrible, a living hell


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But The Terrorists, Hamas
who run that nation
Murdered thousands of peaceful Jews
on Oct 7th last year.



Ali knows what she did

I fully believe Ali.

Stop reading propaganda

That's cause their dead ex leader and his wife and all their cronies have been hiding down tunnels with all the money for months upon months..


Lovely caring people so they are!

Hamas are just a drop in the water compared to the average Palestinian though, innocent people should be spared but even schools and hospitals have been destroyed with people in them and Hamas not involved.

if ali had any strength of conviction she woulda done a 'hanah' 'n replied sorry! BB i'm wearing the tee.........

self proclaimed 'activist' not aware of political message?

Mark L

I suspect this tee shirt was worn with no political conviction at all. So many people making tenuous political statements on the Israel/Hamas conflict don't know the first thing about the conflict.

I can't stop discussions I just suggested because it then turns away from Ali wearing the t shirt to the actual war itself. It's a rabbit hole

Ok.......

Yeah I think you could be right.

I know very little and it dates back a long time that it's complicated.

The post I quoted is saying she's been accused of being both Muslim hating and Jew hating though

While I agree that she has no political convictions past performatively showing her chums that she is on the 'right side of history', she was doubtless well aware of the significance of the symbol, as were the BB production team.

She definitely was. I'll admit it went right over my head but Ali has openly said she wants to get into activism so I'm quite sure she knew what the symbol meant politically

I know.

Good lad

something something *insert last word*

I agree she knew what the symbolism was and that it would be provocative. That doesn't mean she has a clue about what she's supporting, or why.

I mean this discussion just shows why ITV had to edit it. A lot of people are complaining about them censoring things or being cowardly etc. but ultimately they're a major broadcaster with a reputation to protect and guidelines to follow. That has to come above all else really and regardless of your views on the conflict it's not a hill worth dying on for ITV

She is just bangwaggoning

What is worrying is I get that a misguided 20 year old student would do it but a 40 year old women? :umm2:

She has shown countless times she is not the full shilling

Yes Trouble Maker


She knew full well
when she took that political T-shirt in.

I’m sure you will find a way


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I've noticed ITV care more about reputation than BBC.

Controversial t shirts -= more airtime/scandal/press
Really ironic her wearing that and the person she hasn't bothered to get to know is Palestinian.

To me it's a T-Shirt, a horrible one that I personally don't agree with Ali on.

But I do think that she is entitled to wear it without the Jewish community (or anyone for that matter) calling for censorship or her removal from the Show.

I am a big freedom of speech advocate, it would have to take something exceptionally extreme to break my motto on this, and there are a few things out there that can break my motto.

Because to me there's a difference between being offended by something, and complaining about it to a point ITV decides to censor the segment.

It's the Hamas supporters that pretend to be Palestine supporters that some people are thinking of I believe.

Because unfortunately, Hamas has hijacked this conflict unfortunately, which doesn't help matters between the two countries.

There's rare excuses for censorship, and imo this isn't one of them.

LBC is going to debate
Ali's T-Shirt in the next hour

I've seen this said online a few times and it's a bizarre mindset. She supports Palestine which means she has to get along with any and every Palestinian person she meets, otherwise her stance is insincere? That's an absolute reach.

She would probably allow your children's genitals to be mutilated as well if she had her way.

Didn't you know? As someone who supports gay rights I have to like every single gay person I meet otherwise my support means nothing. That's how this works :laugh: