Ali has zero intellectual or moral consistency.

And the worst thing is she can't see her own hypocrisy. She was quick to label Hanah a 'bully' despite feeling offended on her behalf weeks ago ,over ' aggressive gate ' . Ali & Martha have similar traits...in acting like they have people's best interests at heart, when actually they are causing more harm & distress .

Even when Ali was talking to Khaled after the whole
" fake" accusation in the hallway, Martha felt the need to interrupt to see if Ali is " ok" ... like a ' cape and hero moment ' .

As a forensic psychologist she literally has a captive audience and faces minimal day to day challenge of her misguided analysis. You’re not meant to poison the well with your own bias but it seems she has absolutely no hesitation to do this, as she is emotionally invested in the hierarchy of oppression. I absolutely love that whilst being a 38yr old Consultant Forensic Psychologist, blessed in the context of western beauty standards, and likely in a comfortable economic bracket, she views herself as being oppressed in comparison to a 20yr old male of Palestinian origin in the UK who has already mentioned that he would have come on the show if they hadn’t been able to evacuate his grandmother from a warzone the week before.
Ali is a dangerous dangerous person as people listen to her assuming she’s flunking psychic.
Lily is a phenomenal actress playing a well-rehearsed role of the simpleton that the nation wishes to embrace because if we can embrace her breach of every societal expectation of an adult, then there is hope for us all.

This is a very good point actually. Considering Ali made her position known by wearing that t shirt as well you would think she'd have had a lot of interest in Khaled and his background and in spending sometime in speaking to him but instead she almost instantly took a dislike to him and told everyone he was fake. Almost as if her political stances and activism are more about being in that "group" rather than really being interested in the causes themselves

‘Goblin’ :laugh:

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Ali attempting to apply the patriarchal pyramid to the house
 

It’s incredible how you can know Ali’s innermost thoughts and feelings ..

Such a wonderful gift …


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I am sure that is the case for a lot of people who support these causes, its fashionable rather than any particular interest, I would have thought she would be very interested in Khaled and his family but it seems Lily is far more so

I know you are not watching Zizu but she brings it up regularly and even her gf mentioned it in the phone call

So Ali has said she loves the drama ?


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Wow can't believe i'm saying this but Ali actually had a nice moment with Hanah ... when she confided in her. There's strategic game play going on though, now Ali is saying to her group "lets look after Hanah" .

…in all seriousness, people aren’t evil, though…(…well, except for people who are evil… )…but those aren’t generally the personality type who are on BB…like all of the housemates and like human beings, Ali is a blend …and she’s shown not so good traits but she’s also shown those good ones at times…

er she applied for BB so I would imagine she does :laugh:

I do think Ali's "we need to look after her" was innocent - it sounded suspect because she said "if she's leaning away from the boys she needs somewhere to fall" and I think all she meant was -- we don't want her to be isolated. I don't think Ali trusts Hanah properly, and I think the feeling is mutual, but I don't think Ali wants someone who was emotional for feeling isolated and lonely to feel even worse.

Her moment with Hanah was lovely.

What I don't like is a lack of context though. Is Hanah starting to move away from the boys and, if so why? The last we saw still seemed quite close. So much is missed when it comes to house dynamics. Sorry to bring it up but especially without live feed.

…yeah, I agree..there are two groups and divides, the housemates have no doubt about that and Hanah has been firmly with her bredrin, she’s been vocal about that….so Ali seeing her feeling so shaky and vulnerable and feeling a bit lost etc…and maybe not feeling support from her her ‘bredrin’ so much…? I think it was just a comment to say…we need to keep an eye and look after her…for me, when Ali shows more softer and caring sides, which she obviously has…?…I’ll just see it for wat it is and what her actions are in that moment…which was sweet and caring…

I don't think she is, I think Ali misunderstood her, she was upset she hadn't jellied with any of the women, that doesn't mean she doesn't like the men she's friends with anymore

…it was a moment for Hanah is all, I feel…and in that moment she said how much she missed her girls and that female thing…?..and in that moment, maybe she didn’t feel that she had her closest female connection, Sarah…and felt lost and low…as a female myself, I know sometimes I just want that female comfort and in that moment, she was feeling hurt at Sarah not saving her…I think it all had layers but I also think that it was just a moment…

Yeah exactly, could have been some wishful thinking on Alis part too I think

I have to say, she's growing on me. She's definitely showing her more caring side and I'm all for it.

Nothing she has done has been caring. Everything has been self serving.

Trying to groom Hanah away from the lads, for example, is not 'caring' about Hanah... It's just getting another nom to support her, or at least to not be on her.

Ali saw weakness and exploited it.

Imagine going through life seeing the worst in people you don't know. Talk about exhausting.

I agree with this, I think Ali misunderstood, too.

Isn't that reality TV all over? Live in the now, and live at the extreme. Once it's over, interest will die and so will the bile.

The issue for me, with Ali, is she hasn't got much credit in the bank. Everything she does is going to be looked through the prism of how she acted previously, even if she is now finding her place in the house and coming from a place of genuine concern.

I don't automatically see the worst in people and i am positive about a lot of people, my wide range of posts here support that, I simply recognise the plays and behaviours in Ali.

Ali has groomed and manipulated her way through this entire series. It's who she is.

Imagine attempting to smear the speaker rather than talk about the point being made. This seems to be a really common thing in Ali fans.

Because the dislike against Ali from many is relentless, and unforgiving based on individual interpretation and It just comes across vindictive. Even my least favourites I balance out with their good points and so when they do have nice moments I take things at face value, because I appreciate we're not seeing a full picture of who that person is.

Fair enough if others don't want to do that, but I personally find that negative and cruel and don't mind saying it.

Just because you fail to see the truth in Ali's actions there is no need to try and label others in such extreme ways that do.

I forgive when change is made and forgiveness is earned. Ali continues to be a cynical self-serving manipulator.

Anyhow, I consider attacking other forum members and making personal comments to be petty and cheap so I won't fall into that trap here and have a personal slanging match with you. I don't think that proves or changes anything to do with Ali. I am here to the best that I can just to debate HMs and their actions, not try and make moral judgements on others in the forum for having different takes.

That's fair enough and I apologise for doing so. But have you considered that saying people are "fooled" by her and have "failed to see the truth" is it's own form of judgement on person's intellect, rather than morals?

It also frames your interpretation and opinion as factual while anyone who disagrees as false which is not how opinions work while also being somewhat undermining.

Intelligent people are fooled and misled everyday. In fact, in life often the more intelligent a person is the easier they are to fool because they are so sure of their own superiority.

Me saying that some are fooled by her of course is in no way a moral judgement.

But, you are still trying super hard to make this about me rather than the points I make about Ali.

Okay.

Just to add, I didn't say it was a moral judgement I said it was a judgement on someone's intellect.

It seems we both have issues with how the other one posts so I won't converse with you moving forward.

That's a very Ali thing to say.

I am happy to talk to anyone as long as they can stick to talking about the HMs.

I am just not interested in petty point scoring against forum members. I don't take anything personally here I just dislike the white noise of deflection and petty insults. Honestly, some here seem to hate other FMs so much but I see this all as just part of the game. I don't dislike a person just because they see a HM differently this year... They will probably be agreeing with me in another one.

I am sorry that you can't just engage in this manner and just talk about HMs, but ok, you do you, it's fine.

I'm going to give Ali some credit and say that she felt sorry for Hanah's situation with the other girls in the house.

But, I do also think that she saw it as an opportunity to try and gain a number for her side.

It's a win win, and tbh something that I would like to think that I would try to do if I were in the house.

Who's Ali groomed?:laugh:

Thank you :blush: I knew someone was going to say that :laugh:

Look I don't want to get any more personal but I dislike the 'tone' vesavius often posts in, and some of the things they've said have wound me up and so it's absolutely best for everyone's sake that I just put vesavius on Ignore. I don't want to argue, I am sure vesavius doesn't want to argue and nobody wants to read two people sniping.

Sometimes two people clash and that's okay. I'd rather minimise the chance of that happening, that's all.

I apologise for my reactions to your posts. It's a me issue and I take things too personally. I don't like some of the way your posts come across sometimes but you should be free to post how you like without me biting.

Nah, she saw weakness and jumped on it in order to exploit it

That whole 'give her somewhere to land' conversation was exactly what Ali is about.. Cynical self serving game playing dressed up as compassion. The grasping for power from behind a shield of fake virtue.

I have been saying for days that Ali is empire building in there and this was just another example of her doing that. She is grooming others in order to manipulate their nom in order to protect herself, not because she on any level gives a **** about them.

It's all good, no worries.

I don't believe that Ali is a heartless monster like you're making her sound.:laugh:

Would she be my kind of person irl? I don't think so really, and I do agree with you that she's a big manipulator in the house.

But she must have some level of compassion towards other people's struggles, especially given her profession, that's why I think that Ali on some level cared about Hanah's situation last night.

I have never used the terms heartless or monster, to be fair.

I am sure that she irl cares about things and people. But in that house I simply see her game and the way that she chooses to play it.... Othering, grooming, negative imaging, and manipulating are not qualities that I admire is all and I see her doing that constantly. The current situation with Hanah is no exception.

Her real life profession requires no compassion though I don't think. Forensic psychology isn't about that.