Yes long time to move

Yep "near misses" have seemingly been common for a significant period of time, that's why all of the conspiracy theories and (absolutely bizarre) blaming of DEI hires seem particularly out of place with this incident. People have been saying it's been "an accident waiting to happen" - there's been an ongoing issue with Washington specifically, with helicopters cutting across flight paths. Just look at the location of the airport on a map, and the obvious fact that there will be more helicopter activity in Washington DC than most places in the world. Unusually busy airspace in the take off and landing path of international airport - the two just do not mix. Consider how tightly the airspace around Heathrow is controlled for example. Then add in the fact that airspace congestion is getting worse year-on-year and (as we were discussing in the Heathrow thread) not many new airports or runways are being built. More and increasing air traffic, same number of runways, obvious problem.

The only thing that happened here IMO, is that this "next in the line of near-misses" was not a near miss.

When you have a situation like that where something has been a risk for a long time, a tragedy occurring stops being an "unlikely event" and starts becoming a statistical probability. It was bound to happen at some point.

The fact that it's being turned into a political football to be tossed around instead of simply having experts neutrally look into what are now obvious and urgent safety concerns, is absolutely shocking. Well not shocking. Typical. But awful.

All Trump had to say was "This was a tragedy, this shouldn't have happened, we will find out why this happened". But no he could not do that.

‘DEI cost me job at FAA, a crash was inevitable’

Aspiring air traffic controller speaks out following deadly collision between
American Airlines flight 5342 and helicopter in Washington

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/...eg?imwidth=600

An aspiring air traffic controller who claims he was denied a job because of
diversity targets said the aviation agency’s obsession with inclusion made an
accident likely to happen.

Andrew Brigida, 35, scored 100 per cent in his training exam but claims he
was denied a position in an air traffic control tower because the recruitment
process of the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) favoured diverse
candidates.

Under the Obama administration, the regulator replaced a skills-based test
with a biographical questionnaire to attract "more diverse applicants".

Mr Trump said he candidates with “severe intellectual and psychiatric
disabilities” had been hired as air traffic controllers.

Quoting DEI policy, he said that the FAA was “actively recruiting workers who
suffer severe intellectual disabilities, psychiatric problems, and other mental
and physical conditions”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/...as-inevitable/

Everyone complains about Trump's way of handling things, but I read there was a solitary ATC staff member on duty at the time, that doesn't strike me as a safe situation. When considering air traffic events, nothing should be off the table when it comes to the investigation. We know they take things way too far in America with equality, it's not the first time there have been genuine concerns raised. At the very least, it should be looked into rather than treated with scorn

The system is over-stretched and airspace is cluttered without sufficient infrastructure - yes that should be looked into, but it most likely has nothing to do with DEI hires, and there's no evidence thus far that it even has anything to do with human error in air traffic control. IF it does then the reasons for that can be looked into. IF it then transpired that the problem is staff incompetence due to DEI hiring policies then that conversation can begin. It's highly, highly unlikely.

What we have is Trump double-guessing. Guessing at what happened, and then guessing at the reasons for that happening. For political reasons. He knows exactly what he's doing. Ranting about an air collision incident being because they're hiring people with mental health problems or severe intellectual disabilities as air traffic controllers. It's such obvious utter bollocks.

People with disabilities are frequently one of the first targets of fascists. This rhetoric is terrifying.

The Pilot who landed the plane in the Hudson stated that if you looked at 1000 air accidents 999 would be human error.

Hire the best for the job

You seem to imply what Trump is saying is unusual when nearly every person in the world speculates about causes in exactly the same way. You need to re-adjust to the current times when people can say whatever they like without any justification. Trump has been doing the same thing for at least 10 years, and the american people have voted him in twice as their president

Speculating by jumping straight to talking about them hiring people with intellectual disabilities and that being the cause is not something that a politician should be doing, and is extremely worrying. And is highly unlikely to be what happened. It is massively fascist-coded, and no, we do not need to "adjust" to accepting major world players saying whatever they like without justification. "Adjust to being blind as a bat, I'm sure they won't come for you next". He's not just some random person online. He's the president of the United States ffs. I couldn't give a sht about thick losers on X speculating - I do have a problem with it when it's the world's most powerful individuals doing it unchecked?

Mindless, lazy complacency. People with physical and intellectual disabilities are always near top of the list of "undesirables", it's clear as day what he's doing and when you're the parent of someone with disabilities, it's not something one has the luxury of sitting back and saying "oh well that's just the world" about.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that just last week Trump cleared out about 400 safety officers from these sorts of departments and now this has happened while only one person was at the helm.

Diversity in the workplace didn’t cause this incident and anybody saying it did is either plain stupid or wilfully ignorant

New Angle and footage

https://x.com/bennyjohnson/status/1885306661834785082

Western governments have been oh so successful over the last 20 years by setting parameters and refusing to entertain any divergence from them. The populations of those western governments have really thrived haven't they, nobody has had it better. Don't people think it's about time that new approaches were tried after years of failure?

Sure. If they're well thought out new approaches, and not propaganda-based garbage aimed at bigoted idiots. I don't think that's the "new stuff" we need to try.

"Ooh that chair you're sitting on has been giving you a bad back for years, have you considered something new? Perhaps sitting on a pile of nails and screws?"

Tweet after that great
Angle footage.
by Anthony Galli:




[I'm not an aviation expert, but if the plane's
light is so bright to me from a low-res camera
then how was it not to the trained helicopter pilot(s)?

And the sky seems so big to me for the
heli to hit it at that precise spot when the plane
was already slowing down for descent.]

Has the name of the copter pilot been made public?

The Sexual Predator read the DEI conditions yesterday but lied to everyone and said it was the requirements to work in the control tower. He was reading the requirements for the wait for it….. offices in FAA.

You have to pass extensive checks to work in the towers.

The bloke is a buffoon.

Did you see what he said when asked if he was going to visit the crash site.?

“Do you want me to go swimming?”

As abhorrent as he is, I’m just sitting here laughing at his cult and anyone who supports this disturbing man.

Apparently Trump was referring to trans traffic controllers they hired to be diverse, and rejected many highly intelligent people who were more qualified for the jobs.

They'll declare this incredibly witty and funny.

Of course, if this had happened in the UK and Starmer said it, they'd be outraged and saying "imagine the impact a joke like that has on the families of the people being pulled out of that river". Which would be accurate.

But Trump saying it will be justified. Not just justified; they'll have a good old giggle about it. The masks have slipped so far at this point.

Chief Warrant Officer-2 Andrew Eaves from Noxubee County, Mississippi

https://www.wtva.com/news/noxubee-co...6ff7a9195.html

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img...=1738328217695

again, humour is how most people deal with tragedy, it's how we are wired. I'm not suggesting that Trump gives a flying **** about the crash, but he understands people, much more than Biden ever did

Yes but all that's really pointing out is that he's good at propaganda - which isn't a positive for anyone but himself.

I would also reiterate that it's not about that at all, because if this had been a month ago and Biden had said it, the exact same people who will declare Trump a hilarious king would have been lambasting Joe Biden if he had made exactly the same comment. It would have been branded "disgusting".

because Trump is not a standard politician. After all this time, people really still don't understand it, or why he is so popular with american people. The establishment have been taking the piss out of americans for decades. They are done with it and Biden represented that establishment

If they passed the extensive health screenings before then they are qualified for the job.

What gives you the impression that people don't understand why Trump is popular - or that understanding why Trump is popular equates to anything other than a deep-rooted existential dread and loss of hope in humanity?

I'm well aware of the reasons for Trump's popularity. It doesn't make him any less of a vile, smirking demogogue.

And people either find something funny or they don't, if they'll happily titter at one person saying something but would cry outrage at another person saying the same thing ... then they are full of sht either way. "It's funny because Trump said it" is underfoot cult-of-personality nonsense and anyone genuinely living with that mindset is a blatant idiot.

plus The crew chief on the helicopter was identified as Ryan O'Hara.


Who was the 3rd person aboard as there were 3?

The most important thing surely is to discover if any of them were brown, trans, intellectually disabled or a dwarf. If none of the above, then we can start a list of passengers on the plane to discover which one of them was to blame.

People have died and you constantly want to make sick jokes?

please stop

"Do you want me to go swimming?"

Where's your criticism of Trump, Trumpette? Absent. Clown.

[edit] Better get in quick on that report button buddy, the mods will delete your hypocrisy for you :).

https://video.dailymail.co.uk/previe...6132375536.jpg


[Horrifying new video of DC air crash shows
doomed plane barrel roll into Potomac River]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ane-flips.html

Oop

I love it when he gets clowned

DT
 

Pilot union urges against speculation over crash

A union representing US and Canadian pilots has urged people not to speculate
on the causes of Wednesday night’s deadly crash until the investigation is
complete.

Jason Ambrosi, president of the Air Line Pilots Association, said: “A lot of details
and speculation will come out in response to this tragedy, but we must
remember to let the investigation run its course.”

“Extra pressure will be on each of us as our passengers — and our fellow
crewmembers — have this accident on their minds.”

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Its ok if the MSM speculate and use it for content 24/7 but anyone else please don't, especially "members of the public" ew

Right?

Though I think at this point I'll wait and let time sort it out when the facts are all out. When it's just speculation, it's not really productive is it.

At least the woke MSM aren't making sick jokes about it like me and Donald Trump eh LT.

It's not "just" speculation from some sources though, it's propaganda. The "speculation" that the accident was caused by DEI hires and disabled janitors is clearly deliberate and very intentional.

You are simply arguing for your own amusement how ironic is that.

You are following in Clinton's footsteps by throwing insults at Trump supporters, and it wasn't a good look when she did it 12 years ago. Like i said earlier, you obviously don't understand why Trump is popular

The fact is he’s popular because Americans ARE stupid. That is fact. A dangerous one that he’s managed to capitalise on for his own gain.

"Americans ARE stupid. That is fact."

what a disgusting xenophobic remark to make on a public form

Jesus

:shocked:

Only One person in the tower
spoke to the 2 Planes and Helicopter

Ch4HDnews

It’s true. Have you seen the intelligence at a Trump rally? There is none.

so by that analogy Brits are stupid for voting for Brexit....you agree?

From memory you were a big fan of Brexit

Yes