If you are going to edit my posts could you replace the edited bits with some more acceptable insults? I give you as much creative freedom as you want.

You know it continually amazes me the kind of vitriolic response one gets on these forums when you go against the perceived wisdom of the collective group. My argument in this matter certainly has some validity and I hold to it, but I have nothing against anyone who speaks against me on the matter with calmness and clarity. Thanks for that 30stone: I may not agree with all you say but I have no problem with you saying it.... you have ur ideas on the matter, I have mine.

As for a few others on here, I'm actually glad I stepped out for awhile cuz it's plainly obvious to me that you fellas need to relax a little and not show such aggression and hatred towards other members who don't agree with you. It shows a lack of maturity and civility. Nobody will ever agree totally with anyone else, but in your reactions you reveal so much of who you are, and how tolerant and accepting you are of others.

As for Hellshark, usually I wouldn't even bother responding to you but I will on this occassion because I think you may be a little dimwitted and need this to be spelled out to you. Firstly, it's quite obvious you haven't read any of this thread and are just intent on making yourself look like a reactionary fool by deliberately dismantling somebody elses comments and using them in your own unique and infantile fashion. It's actually surprising how much animosity you can show to somebody you don't even know. The funniest thing about it is you probably wont even read this.

Oh, and to clarify one matter cuz it's bugging me- I train and exercise at least five times a week; more now because I'm training for Dublin Marathon. I know the value of exercise but I also know of the dangers of excess in one area of training. Being an athlete is all about balance.... to weigh yourself down with that much body mass is debilitating for you in other areas of health and fitness.

Isn't life strange!

It amases me how some people can be so vile about others who they do not know, and make judgement about their lifestyle when they can't even begin to comprehend it!!

You are fit and take pride in your body and diet and you're accused of taking drugs! Yes, it takes dedication and willpower, but it's hardly an obsession!

I'd rather see a fit bloke, eating well, in the gym, running etc rather than some of the alternatives in life these days!

Perhaps you'd rather see flabby unhealthy pi55 heads instead?? I wonder if some of you could do with taking a lesson or two in health and fitness not to mention manners??

Cue... 30stone somewhere in this argument LOL

ah i don't mind an argument, it's just the reaction that you get in here sometimes when you're just trying to put your point across. it goes mental... they don't want to hear it lol

So Tom is vain and disgusting because he is muscular, but Marcus is fine for spending all his time on weights, failing, and claiming he IS muscular?

My main argument was that Tom has overdone it on the bodybuilding side of things and it could have damaging effects on his health later on in life. I suggested that it may be a vanity thing or just obsessional behaviour but I never compared him to anyone else or remarked on his personality. My main contention was that building your muscles to that size isn't good for your heart or body in the long run.

I was talking to the OP...not you. :laugh2:

Forgive me; I thought you were being you usual snidey self.

A lot of gym bunnies on here defending that twat Tom.

Yes, men who hang around in gyms admiring other bloke's 'ripped' bodies are really straight, hetero types. Aye, right. Chase me , Chase me.

He may have muscles but he seems to have a crap "personality", if you can even call it that!

I admire his dedication to training and think his got a brilliant body. As someone that works out I know its not always about been vain but it can also build self confidence. Tom has an awesome body and seems like an ok bloke.

Hahaha, I did read the whole thread, let's take a look at your idiotic comments.

this fella just looks like he'll fall over from a massive heart attack in his 50's

that kinda body is only achieved through hours and hours in gym each day plus the odd dose of steroids- think he's an addict

bodybuilders become addicted to it. i think it's an obsessive thing for him.

he's a heart attack waiting to happen when he gets a bit older.

Just reading over this **** is embarrassing and this is just from the first page. I am starting to wonder if I've picked an argument with someone who is genuinely retarded.

ROFLMAO! Thanks for that laugh Roller. :flowers:

you're highlighting exactly what i said. you're just intent on attacking someone over what they have said, rather than coming up with your own theories or thoughts on the matter. is that your thing? to try and attempt to make others look foolish? very sad

and yes, i do believe that building yourself up to that degree is bordering on obsessive and can lead to serious problems later on in life. that's my opinion. i'm entitled to one as much as you are.

well said!!

i don't think it's fair to say that he's been on steroids. i've got 2 guy pals that are bloody huge and they never touch the stuff. it goes against the whole heathly lifestyle. he just likes to take care of his body and stay healthy. he's obviously proud of what he's got too and so he should. noone minds when the girls are swanning about in bikinis.

I am highlighting what you said to point out just how ignorant you are.

If it's so widely accepted that bodybuilders suffer from heart attacks then post some evidence. I can't wait to see what you dig up.

You accuse him of being a steroid addict, vain and unhealthy. Now you try to hide behind some veil of maturity and pass it off as 'It's only my opinion!!!'

Your opinion is judgemental and the bullshit you are spouting about health problems is unfounded nonsense.

i mentioned only the once that he might be on steroids... just once. and you take everything i say totally out of context. you're a very reactionary individual who just doesn't accept anyone elses views that are contradictory to your own.

i'm merely suggesting that to build yourself up that much is bad for ur body in the long run. i believe that. you just have to type in bodybuilder heart attack and you'll find many examples of guys who keel over from it. these guys become more and more obsessive about their bodies.... it leads to abuse. and also on a purely physical level, it eventually puts an awful strain on ur body carrying that kinda weight around.

you can't just attack someone for having their own opinions regarding something. it's silly and infantile.

but you have remarked on his personality by saying he is vain and obsessional :puzzled:

i don't hink you need to worry about his physical state just yet. the size he is just now is no cause for alarm

i said that it might be a vanity thing, but it is definitely a bit obsessional. he's fine right now becuz he's in his prime.... wait until he gets on a bit. that's when the trouble begins.

that kinda body is only achieved through hours and hours in gym each day plus the odd dose of steroids- think he's an addict

Looks like you said the only way he could get that body is by taking steroids. What other context can it be taken in?

its a well known fact that body builders suffer from weak hearts as they get older

You aren't merely suggesting anything. Apparently it's a fact, yet you conveniently provide no evidence.

If you are seriously suggesting that because a few bodybuilders suffer from heart attacks that there is a direct correlation I have to once again question your mental stability.

Hahaha, hiding behind opinions again? In previous posts you insisted what you were saying was fact.

i think hes addicted to bodybuilding.... didn't mean the drugs. and yes, i do believe these fellas suffer later on in life, more so than other physically fit individuals. i never said anything was fact.... only fact i was saying was these guys are liable to suffer later on in life if they continue this form of training. your body can't withstand it for that long and the heart weakens. you think it's natural to be that big?

you just seem intent on having a pop at others.

there is no evidence that having a muscular body puts strain on your heart, none what so ever. if he was still muscular like that when he was 50 then he would actually be very healthy. the more muscle you have the more testosterone your body will produce. keeping him young.... but if he was using steroids and eating unhealthy foods then you could suggest this would be bad for his heart.

id just like to say he has worked extremely hard for that body, the majority of people who abuse steroids still cant achieve his gains. body building relies alot on genetics. this doesn't mean he has used steroids either. he has probably been doing this for about 10 years.

literally just joined and all i can say is this forum seems to be full of uneducated time wasters. i think youv'e "over done it" on chatting absolute bollox on a forum about stupid common misconceptions you hear from other people.

i'm not altering my comments. i do believe that it will lead to problems in later years if he continues to eat and train like this. thats my opinion. you just seem intent on bigging yourself up

He seems like a good housemate so far, not just a pretty face.

no ones bigging there self up. your opinion doesn't seem to hold any truth, thats why people are bashing your comments. go and do some research on the subject. awe don't know what his eating habits are like so why are you putting that their.

i'm speculating, as we all are. we are all allowed to have an opinion on things. and i believe its not healthy in the long run to build ur body up to that level. plus, it can become a pathological thing for these guys.... continually wanting to increase their size or to maintain their strength.... which can eventually lead to abuse, if abuse hasn't already occured.

Was it me or did I catch him checking out Rodrigo :puzzled: I caught about 2 quick glances that lasted only a second each but I saw it! I'm not saying he's gay but I get that looks like that from guys all the time so I recognize it..:thumbs2:

can please go into further detail on why you think bodybuilding can abuse your body and why you think it would effect health later on in life...

would you suggest that sprinters would also suffer from these health problems?

can please go into further detail on why you think bodybuilding can abuse your body and why you think it would effect health later on in life...

would you suggest that sprinters would also suffer from these health problems?

some people are just jealous that other look good and they dont
thats why them people with good bodies are being slated as unhealthy

i mean yes there are some who are unhealthy, but tom is hardly like them

Tom is ugly w*nker

sprinters dont build up their body mass to that extreme level... they're not ingesting the same amount of supplements and food as bodybuilders. added weight puts pressure on the heart and the joints..... so too does the intake of more calories and proteins. these guys continue to put these demands on their bodies.... it is an obsessive hobby that can lead to abuse. it can very easily become pathological: the need to get bigger, to feel stronger. as you get older ur joints weaken and that body mass begins to really effect u.

since hellshark is acting up flexing his E-muscle i shall bypass him as you are atleast enquiring on a polite coherent level..

suffice it to say sentanta is correct,i am speaking as someone who is a looking in to fitness instructing as a profession,as i am still training what i will do is not articulate what i think and feel..

i shall post a link,which is going to say what all with a little bit of knowledge in the field will tell you..and this is not about steriod abuse,this is about natural body building side affects..

http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/OConnor16.html (not sure if we're allowed to post links but mods can edit if that is the case)

so in future,hellshark grow a pair and speak with a manner of respect towards people or you will recieve much the same type of treatment..

He walks strangely - and I guess that's because he can no longer put his arms down properly. Maybe if he did he would get sores in his arm pit. His face is ever so slim and long which looks very odd against such wide shoulders.

what are you talking about mate, sprinters main form of training is weight training. trust me competative sprinters will be using any supplements they can get thier hands and considering they get given them its not very hard. and thier calorie consumption will still be huge compared to the average person.

check these pics out. without a doubt successful sprinter are just as big as him.


http://www.thebetterweigh.com/images..._sprinter2.jpg

http://www.independent.co.uk/multime...eet_28582t.jpg

the people who encounter problems through weight training are those who dont know what their doing. ie they dont warm up, they dont rest for long enough or train for long. all these topics lik bad joints, heart problems are totally aboidable.

so basically your generalization of the sport is full of flaws.

tht link was all about the health risks of steroids.... not once have i said steroids are not bad for your health im talking about frug free bodybuilding.

http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/OConnor16.html

this is all about the health risks of steroid abuse not bodybuilding!

His body, yes 30stone, but OUR TV and OUR FAVE SHOW! My eyes deserve better!