Why? Will and paras are bullies and should be rewarded? But then again you wanted Jason to win over the top so I guess you like bullies winning

Well Will is the only one that can win for her to put up Derek, i doubt she would put him up over Will. :shrug:

Maddy wins Pov - Will goes up
Paras wins Pov- Will goes up
K wins Pov- Noms stay
Will wins Pov and uses it- Derek goes up
Derek wins Pov - Noms stay Unless he wants to take out Will as BD?

Will has sworn on his sons life he won't use it if he wins, and Kaela says If he goes through with that then she will get Derek to vote Maddy out so he and Paras can stay (I think Will said at some point he'd rather Paras stay than Maddy).

If he used it no Derek went up, it would end in a tie and Kaela would keep Derek. Derek would obviously win HOH and target Will next week, so I think he'll avoid using it.

How would it end up a tie :shrug: , Will takes Paras Down, the 2 votes are both going to be for Derek to go?

Also dont forget how Kaela screwed him over on her last HOH saying he wouldn't touch the block yet he did.

Anyways we have to wait and see who wins veto, Will is hopeless so the odd of them pulling anything like this off is very limited.

You'll forgive me for not taking insults re. morality from a misogynist :joker:

I've watched zero feeds this season, and have four weeks of eps to catch up on...so I know little about this 'bullying' (then again you're the only person I've seen claim it so it might just be hyperbole as usual) - perhaps you'd like to reign it in a little?

The only reason I said I wanted one of the three* (who I don't even care about, btw) to win the Veto is because Derek sucks. He's smug, vacuous and vapid and I want him gone before the personality vacuum has a chance to win the season. Hope that's okay with you!

*@BBUKAUSFAN you're right, Will is the only option...I jumped the gun a little :laugh:

Both Maddy and Paras lack any personality also though. At least Derek has played this game. I'd prefer someone who has actually made a move have a shot of winning. The only two that have done that are Kaela/Derek [and I like neither also]

That's a fair point and the reason why this F5 sucks...but...he's just awful! I'd rather someone inoffensive and just ~there~ win than someone I dislike

Can't comment on his game yet cause I've not caught up but based on my limited knowledge I'd be inclined to say Kaela has done most of the work?

Screaming at personality vacuum :joker:, it’s true though. Derek to go out on his fake showmance would be great.

I hope BBCAN doesn't get cancelled for having three victoria's somehow make the final 5.

Yeah Kaela has done most of the work and would probably be the most deserving winner - but Derek is still thousands time more deserving than any of the other 3 that are just on holiday. Any of Paras/Maddy/Will winning would be awful as they have had no impact on the game and have just been seen as the weak players throuhout. Not a single one has even won a competition and its at the final 5 stage. They have also never been in proper control of a vote as they've been on the ousts or used purely as numbers for someone elses purpose.

Look at it this way, Karen from last year at this stage has won more competitions than all of them combined.

To be honest, even Derek and Kaela were coasting until about two weeks ago. Before that, everyone was too fixated on getting out the minorities.

They were at least in the majority and involved in Erica's plans on both HOH's. The other 3 have literally been thought of/used as pawns and have just been going along with votes that do not benefit their game.

Competition wins don't hold much sway for me really. Is there something to be said for winning out in the endgame when you're on the ropes? Sure, but I weigh a good social and/or strategic game over comp wins any day (probably by a 70:30 ratio). That's not to say Daela haven't had the latter, again I can't comment on that until I've caught up - but similarly I won't hold no comp wins against the other three until I've seen what else (if anything) they've done

I'm looking forward (well, if I can say that about this dull season) to watching Paras actually because it seems people are very 50/50 about her. You have one camp saying she's done nothing and is deluding herself that she's a mastermind, and the other that's giving her credit for avoiding the block with no comp wins and arguing she's positioned herself well and deliberately. I'm intrigued to see who's right when I finally decide to commit to catching up

Is that real? My lord, I'm shock.

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I judge housemates differently under the US format than the UK one

This season is pants and i don’t really care who wins but Maddy winning would be hilarious (not going to happen) i’m hoping for a messy random final 2 or something to make it interesting because this season needs it.

This please, I'd like to see Maddy go this week.

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I think Paras is kinda delusional but she's still playing a solid game. She just overhypes herself. But Johnny was just giving her plenty of credit the past few episodes so the jury might buy what she sells because at least on paper it's very impressive that she hasn't touched the block until now etc.

Paras and will are nothing but bullies towards maddy. It is honestly like watching a abused wife keep going back for more with her. They treat her like **** and then try and make out its all her fault. I would have at least punched will at this point if he spoke to me like he does with maddy

Will is scum, glad I'm not watching or else he'd be at Tom / Andrew levels.

I was going to try and catch up on this but judging from the comments I better not :skull:

Also since the final 5 sucks, does that mean to 4th place goddess streak has finally been broken? :(

There's still Kaela & Paras in there!

Kaela has to go as soon as she can she's just a nasty girl and would make this series even worse if she won.

Maddy also should go soon because someone whose gonna cry all series long and not be called Sabrina doesn't deserve their spot in the Final anything.

Will is scum but apart from his animal abusing side the edit he gets I sent okay. Shouldn't win but I'm fine with him making the final.

Paras has done next to nothing (I've only just got to Ericas Eviction so excuse me if she's perked up) but she's a nice girl and I probably wouldn't mind her winning because a nice winner over an inoffensive or nasty winner is good.

Derek I also wouldn't mind winning because he has a nice personality than his other half and has had comp wins but I'd prefer Paras I suppose.

Icon Kaela is going to be the robbed 4th place queen

Someone on another forum just pointed out that Cassandra's dad has more comp wins than Paras, Maddy and Will combined :joker: