Well duh

That's why I said that execution has been a mess since it's been under SOC

Honestly you have such a cheek to call me an idiot

Still doesn't mean he initiated any drama of his own though. Unless you count bins.

So he did the most work and could have vetoed it

You all idolise DTC who made it unrealistic and left it in a worse state then he found it

You won't find many people sticking up for SOC if that's what you're trying to do Adam

WELL OBVIOUSLY

I said that it was DTC's idea, which it probably was... that's all I said

I have no idea why you've taken this so personally

DTC was shit after the live but at least he had stories.

He had stories that would disappear for half a year

But he had stories. That's the point.

Obviously. He's just pointing out whose idea it was.

The execution is clearly SOC's as it's as dull as a soap could get.

DTC had stories that could've been great, but that's as far as it goes.

I think DTC had a strong impact on the show from that point.

The show just changed too much for it to suddenly be the work of the same producer.

Personally, I'd love JWB to stay permanently. I just feel the classic businessman eastender type is missing from the show and I think him being reformed after this storyline ends would work well.

Would you want JWB back permanently? What about his family?

This.

Say what you want about DTC's style and direction but at least he always had ideas bouncing around.

The show has been lifeless since SOC came in. And even his attempt at breathing life into it with bus crashes and whatnot are bloody awful.

No. But there is a lot of potential in his kids.

An 18 month villain like Johnny Allen would be fine.

I can see Fi being Max's next wife. Josh and Luke would be interesting

No he's a rapist and there's no way of redeeming someone like him

Plenty of people have been redeemed. Why can't he?

Ben killed Heather, Michelle having an inappropriate relationship, Martin killed Jamie, the list goes on..

Oh I don't think he can be redeemed.

But I also don't think permanent characters all need to be redeemable. I don't mind a good old fashioned villainous bastard.

The soaps tends to shy away from that and try to give everyone a heart or excuse their bad actions.

I guess he could just be very unlikeable but I was just thinking that he could have been somehow but I'd love him to stick around for at least 2 years. I want him to run the car lot.

You haven't listed any rapists

Those two murders you mention were even accidents (aka manslaughter) and Michelle and Preston was different. At least use half-decent examples.

Like Marsh said he's free to hang around as a short-lived villain but that's where it ends. No way can a rapist hang around. Even EE's got a better moral compass than that.

Murderers though. They end people's lives and are still walking around