...it sways so much between light and dark as well...it starts off a bit Mean Girls and then obviously gets darker and darker...but just targeting ‘mean people’...which I know doesn’t justify but you don’t quite stop being empathetic with JD either....but when he was going to blow up the school and ensure that all in the gym room would be killed...?...it had become something with no lightness at all....

Woah that was really heavy. I'm torn in two different directions, was Kevin the way he was because Eva wasn't a natural mother or was he just born a manipulative psychopath? Why didn't Franklin listen to her when she raised concerns, especially after the guinea pig ended up in the garbage disposal and after Cecilia lost an eye.

How would you deal with that as a parent. I can't even try to imagine

Oh honourable mention to that guy in the wheelchair who I presume was one of Kevins victims, what a sweetheart he was :love:

Powerful film though Ammi

...yeah, I wasn’t sure that I wanted to revisit just because it’s so incredibly dark ...and very, very powerful and it made me think of JD or JD made me think of Kevin...I’ll try to watch it tomorrow../...I can’t recall all details which will be fresh with you and others watching for the first time...

I haven't watched it in probably 20 years so the first ten minutes I was thinking Ohh no this has really dated badly... but then it sucked me back in and i realised why i loved it so much... Veronica always wanted to be popular and left her old nerdy friends behind only to discover that being popular is not all it's cracked up to be , in fact she hates her new popular friends and can't stand to be around them but does what they want to keep the peace. Until she meets JD and realises that she doesn't have to stand for their ****.. In the most extreme way...I think she gets swept along with JD even though she kind of knows what he's doing and because she doesn't know how else to stop the hierachy( writing the suicide note for Heather C, mindessly believing the story about the bullets only 'wounding and tranquilising' - i mean she was quick to shoot even after she realised one was dead) but then realises that it doesn't make a difference and that getting rid of one bully, is only replaced by another and that the only way to succeed is to make your own path, not to destroy others....Like JD says 'The School is Society' and I think the movie was a reflection of this, in it's own way...But I loved watching it again..one of my favourite scenes this time was when they were arguing in the car after just having killed the jocks and The Heathers walk past and say ' Young love' I just love the dark humour...

...I guess it’s that nature vs nurture thing...and we don’t know if
whether he was born a manipulating psychopath or whether the longing for Eva’s love and approval etc and never feeling it, played a huge part in him becoming a manipulating psychopath...and the title of the movie, We Need to Talk about Kevin ...but they never did talk about him, Eva tried to ..
but maybe, she also didn’t want to fully face the many concerns that she felt responsible for ...and Franklin not wanting to face that his child wasn’t perfect and that there were many concerns...Franklin really was putting his hands over his ears and not listening purposefully, I feel...while Eva felt more and more the outsider and more isolated ...which I think that she’d felt before Kevin was born anyway in not having any maternal instincts through her pregnancy...in the mother pre natal group, she wasn’t feeling any connection that she could see in others and Kevin was so detached and disconnected as well, it’s like they were the same person at times and it made me wonder what the ‘story’ would be with Eva’s own childhood...what were her own family relationships back then...was there any connection and association to that bonding not been felt...the whole family dynamic just felt so empty, so devoid...their home itself had an empty vibe and there was no extended family/grandparents, no friends etc no family pet until Celia had her guinea pig...and even when Eva was giving birth, the midwife was asking her to stop resisting and fighting against it as if she was trying to stop her unborn child from being a part of her world /her life...

... if they had talked about Kevin then it may have all unfolded differently because he would have got the help he needed and they would have all got the family support they needed through family therapy etc...and maybe there would have been a healing for them all and a family future...my heart broke for Kevin when Eva was so loving and protective to Celia in the hospital when he was sprinkling water over her but Eva had hurt him and broken his arm...when he saw the love and protectiveness that his mother was capable of but had never felt it, he’d only felt her guilt for hurting him and her fear that he would tell someone...and it was also heartbreaking when he said that her room was dumb when she was pasting the maps on the wall...?...rather than try to engage with him about why he thought it was dumb and have any conversation /...any ‘talk’ ...she said that everyone needed their own room and they could do his room as well, just how he wanted it, with his favourite things...so really defining his space and his mother’s space as two separate spaces and not together...like drawing a line down a room, type thing ..you have your space, I’ll have mine...we don’t have to spend time with each other, he wasn’t part of the things that gave her pleasure in life....her favourite things didn’t display anything of him...no photos etc ....and ugggh, that quote that could apply to both Eva and Kevin ...’just because you get used to something doesn’t mean you’ll like it...you never liked me...’...that must have been what they both were feeling about each other...but yeah, so much about Kevin and Eva but for me, Franklin was such a key person as well because Eva had tried to talk so many times to him but he didn’t hear her or he ignored her because all he could see or wanted to see was a ‘perfect son’, having their perfect relationship and living a perfect life...that’s the box that he kept himself in...Kevin felt unloved but so did Eva...

...I don’t know what to say really...it’s a horror film and it doesn’t have any gore and it’s very creepy....I didn’t breathe for over an hour...I found it quite terrifying and heart-stopping most of the way through... Noreen, I think the creepy old woman character was, was played by a Finnish actress...it was an Irish/Finnish movie...she was so creepy in her part, I almost stopped watching when I saw her at the beginning and thought, I can’t do this but I’m so glad that I didn’t stop watching...

...and Seána Kerslake/Sarah was just so excellent...:lovedup:..she played an adoring mum who was terrified of you’re not my son, so well..it didn’t really have many surprises or jumps but it didn’t need to have, well for me anyway...it was creepy enough and I was totally frozen in so many places....I didn’t quite understand the ending, though...when Sarah was photographing Chris through the window and she’d obviously seen something that shocked her...had she seen the shape shifter person again...?..I rewound it a few times but still couldn’t see what she was seeing...I don’t watch horrors too often and they’re something that it’s hard to say that I enjoyed as such...but I kind of did...it might not be a classic but it was a very good choice, I think...