Even Nikki disappointed me that episode.

Yes?

The people who voted for her to win love her (me)
But the majority of people, more so now than ever, hate her, this she knows.
So technically she's right, she might be hated by most, but a lot of people still love her.

I don't think anyone has ever claimed Helen to be a good person though so 'values' don't really come into it

Tbf Nikki went straight for Nick and Jade but Helen and Marc purposefully avoided Harry

Well some people here (not in this thread but in this forum) have definitely claimed her to be a good person because she tells it how it is (how she thinks it is*) or whatever, but it absolutely comes down to values. And even going past that, don't you love Dick Donato and Amanda Zuckerman and a bunch of other objectively horrible people on BBUS? What you value as entertainment certainly isn't what I value and I'll leave it at that.

Furthermore, this show absolutely espouses and promotes a certain set of core values and this year really made me question my relationship with this show. Like, my personal values differ so much and it's like "I'm offended that you think this is what I want to see."

I went off Nikki, when she was on BOTS the night Harry and Sam were evicted, and she called them two ugly sisters and derided the pair of them behind their backs. This coming from a person who spent 8 years of her childhood in hospital due to her anorexia, and yet had the audacity to ridicule two people over their looks in a vitriolic and shallow way.

She's a nasty creature, TBH.

What sort of audience does manipulated drama appeal to? Because we've got a bunch of other programmes for that.

Mind, this series went far and above beyond manipulated drama.

I can't lie, I do see traits in Helen that are good, but in all fairness, they are overruled by the bad side of her because it's so overbearing but that's an argument I can't really be bothered having.

You must have missed it the other day when I was explaining to someone else, who again was trying to demean me as a person for having Amanda as my favourite for that season, I don't like Amanda, but I didn't like anyone else in that season either, but at one point, specifically the first few weeks, Amanda, to me, was the most entertaining, while everyone else bored me for the entire season, so I stuck with her as my favourite because she was the only person I supported at some stage, but again, not an argument I want to get into.

Dick on the other hand, I do love, but he's like, a one off, he took the bad guy role and he ran with it, yes, at times he might have taken it overboard, but does my liking him as an entertainment character have an effect on me personally or my morals, or 'values'? no, I might find people entertaining, but in no way does that automatically mean that I think they're good people, I am able to differentiate between the two in a sensible and objective manner.

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But let's not mention Princess Nikki's bad traits now.

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Macie dislikes her, so it's fine.

saying i demean you is total bull**** bye :joker: what kind of lie

I can still love her for her stint in BB7 but this time round she was awful.

That BOTS appearance was embarrassing

eh, I think she's occasionally amusing but is very susceptible to being friends with ****ty people and letting them rub off on her. I swing positive overall but with a lot of caveats.

Imma @ Liam later once Daniel_ posts his noms

I meant in general, saying anything bad about Nikki is practically a punishable offense around here :joker:

Where is Daniel!!!!

Loving the sig Pete. :lovedup:

Just checked he's replying now hun

TY

I'm not rushing for a cut now my least favs are gone and I doubt anyone will be rushing to save Cameron anytime soon.

It's not that bad!!!:bawling:

I think it's been quite fun, a bit messy, but it's worked.

Yh it's slaying

can we stop bumping this unless it's Danielle_ McMahon's votes being revealed PLEASE

Ready 4 Joel?

Bored tho