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Blueisthecolour 04-08-2009 02:57 PM
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I think people, that we are all missing the point a bit.

Whether we on this forum think that it is or isn't the done thing to talk about a woman like that isn't really the point.

The more important point is that Hira, as a Muslim probably - nay, almost certainly, would be hurt and offended.
she aint a strict one or her husband/father/brother would not have let her in that house.

Its a telly game show ffs blue; they know the score.
What's strict?

I mean I really don't know as I'm not a Muslim.

She prays and she has asked people to respect her modesty.

Isn't that good enough?

charmingmissc 04-08-2009 02:58 PM
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all men talk like this FACT.. its just boys locker room/pub talk.
just cos marcus has said it on tv doesnt make him any worse than any other guy on the street
No, to be fair that's not a fact because I wouldn't talk about a woman who I knew was devoutly Muslim in that way.

And neither would most of my male friends / aquaintances.

Posted by a bloke who isn't uptight, and likes women, and quite likes THE Irrepressible Underdog, but thinks that there is a line to be drawn there somewhere.
you must be in the minority mate? or maybe in the closet?:flower:
You must only have met really **** men in your time. I pity you
give me a leery bloke over a PC wimpy git anyday!! and most girls wil agree even if they dont admit it... lady chatterly anone?:elephant:
better than slimey men who pretend to be something they are not.(and more likely to slip something in your drink)

BB22 04-08-2009 03:00 PM
To be honest, I just watched the clip all the way through and I cannot really see what the fuss is about. It seemed to me Marcus was talking in a jocular fashion about how a person would behave if a semi-subservient desire to please carried over into a person's sex life. After the initial "turn" in the conversation he wasn't even talking about any particular person.

Further, I don't think there is particular gender significance to it beyond the simple fact that Marcus is a man speaking from a man's point of view. It would be quite possible for a woman to speculate in a similar way. In fact, I have both heard such conversations and even participated in them in a light-hearted way (representing my gender and being the butt of the joke but never offended).

With quite remarkable irony, one of the episodes of Friends following the BB highlights show repeat this morning was on this very topic, deriving some humour from the idea that Joey might "be there" for his partner (you might have to watch it to get the joke).

Yeah, he was being rather crude but I don't see any deeper significance to it.

Once again, I am surprised and slightly amused at the prudishness and widespread righteous indignation on this forum.

loomy 04-08-2009 03:00 PM
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Go to any **** club and there's always a few hanging around. Generally ugly though
Now you do our gender a disservice. Feminism is about the right for any woman to go about her own business and conduct her life in any way she chooses to see fit, without anyone attaching labels to them. A woman who sleeps around, would be seen as a stud if she were a man. It is these gender stereotypes that true feminists wish to be rid of.
You are a bigot.
Where did I ever say it was okay for women to talk in such terms? And I don't know why people seem to think that a man who sleeps around is a stud. From my experience men who sleep around aren't respected any more than women who do it

siavashsbigfan 04-08-2009 03:01 PM
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I think people, that we are all missing the point a bit.

Whether we on this forum think that it is or isn't the done thing to talk about a woman like that isn't really the point.

The more important point is that Hira, as a Muslim probably - nay, almost certainly, would be hurt and offended.
well he hardly sat her down and said it to her face.. free speech anyone?:kiss:
So if he made a racist comment about her, or a homophobic comment about Charlie, or a Brummieist comment about Lisa, or an Irish joke about Noirin...would it be ok if he didn't do it to their face?

Is that just free speech?
Some tit always has to bring race into it dont they...
point being,, he never made a homphobic comment or a racist comment!!!!! here comes the racism bandwagon!

Blueisthecolour 04-08-2009 03:01 PM
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I think people, that we are all missing the point a bit.

Whether we on this forum think that it is or isn't the done thing to talk about a woman like that isn't really the point.

The more important point is that Hira, as a Muslim probably - nay, almost certainly, would be hurt and offended.
well he hardly sat her down and said it to her face.. free speech anyone?:kiss:
So if he made a racist comment about her, or a homophobic comment about Charlie, or a Brummieist comment about Lisa, or an Irish joke about Noirin...would it be ok if he didn't do it to their face?

Is that just free speech?
Some tit always has to bring race into it dont they...
...and some tit always has to play the "PC gone mad" card.

I mentioned race, sexual orientation and geographical origin there. Why did you mention race in particular?

My point is just that saying something out of a person's earshot does not excuse it as free speech.

siavashsbigfan 04-08-2009 03:02 PM
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all men talk like this FACT.. its just boys locker room/pub talk.
just cos marcus has said it on tv doesnt make him any worse than any other guy on the street
No, to be fair that's not a fact because I wouldn't talk about a woman who I knew was devoutly Muslim in that way.

And neither would most of my male friends / aquaintances.

Posted by a bloke who isn't uptight, and likes women, and quite likes THE Irrepressible Underdog, but thinks that there is a line to be drawn there somewhere.
you must be in the minority mate? or maybe in the closet?:flower:
You must only have met really **** men in your time. I pity you
give me a leery bloke over a PC wimpy git anyday!! and most girls wil agree even if they dont admit it... lady chatterly anone?:elephant:
better than slimey men who pretend to be something they are not.(and more likely to slip something in your drink)
a girl can hope:cheer: lol

charmingmissc 04-08-2009 03:03 PM
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all men talk like this FACT.. its just boys locker room/pub talk.
just cos marcus has said it on tv doesnt make him any worse than any other guy on the street
No, to be fair that's not a fact because I wouldn't talk about a woman who I knew was devoutly Muslim in that way.

And neither would most of my male friends / aquaintances.

Posted by a bloke who isn't uptight, and likes women, and quite likes THE Irrepressible Underdog, but thinks that there is a line to be drawn there somewhere.
you must be in the minority mate? or maybe in the closet?:flower:
You must only have met really **** men in your time. I pity you
give me a leery bloke over a PC wimpy git anyday!! and most girls wil agree even if they dont admit it... lady chatterly anone?:elephant:
better than slimey men who pretend to be something they are not.(and more likely to slip something in your drink)
a girl can hope:cheer: lol
:whistle::joker:

siavashsbigfan 04-08-2009 03:03 PM
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I think people, that we are all missing the point a bit.

Whether we on this forum think that it is or isn't the done thing to talk about a woman like that isn't really the point.

The more important point is that Hira, as a Muslim probably - nay, almost certainly, would be hurt and offended.
well he hardly sat her down and said it to her face.. free speech anyone?:kiss:
So if he made a racist comment about her, or a homophobic comment about Charlie, or a Brummieist comment about Lisa, or an Irish joke about Noirin...would it be ok if he didn't do it to their face?

Is that just free speech?
Some tit always has to bring race into it dont they...
...and some tit always has to play the "PC gone mad" card.

I mentioned race, sexual orientation and geographical origin there. Why did you mention race in particular?

My point is just that saying something out of a person's earshot does not excuse it as free speech.
well if it was in the real world and not on tv she would never hear it or find out about it so whats the difference?:dance2::dog:

Hedgie 04-08-2009 03:04 PM
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Where did I ever say it was okay for women to talk in such terms? And I don't know why people seem to think that a man who sleeps around is a stud. From my experience men who sleep around aren't respected any more than women who do it
You said that the women in question are generally ugly. That is hardly true, and that is my point.

ConnieLingus 04-08-2009 03:05 PM
Has anyone stopped to think that maybe Hira would be getting a bit turned on if she heard what Marcus had said?

Blueisthecolour 04-08-2009 03:05 PM
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well if it was in the real world and not on tv she would never hear it or find out about it so whats the difference?:dance2::dog:
Well that's true.
But it was on TV and she probably will get to find out.

Vicky. 04-08-2009 03:05 PM
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I think people, that we are all missing the point a bit.

Whether we on this forum think that it is or isn't the done thing to talk about a woman like that isn't really the point.

The more important point is that Hira, as a Muslim probably - nay, almost certainly, would be hurt and offended.
well he hardly sat her down and said it to her face.. free speech anyone?:kiss:
So if he made a racist comment about her, or a homophobic comment about Charlie, or a Brummieist comment about Lisa, or an Irish joke about Noirin...would it be ok if he didn't do it to their face?

Is that just free speech?
Some tit always has to bring race into it dont they...
...and some tit always has to play the "PC gone mad" card.

I mentioned race, sexual orientation and geographical origin there. Why did you mention race in particular?

My point is just that saying something out of a person's earshot does not excuse it as free speech.
Because it was the first word you used. And since you all reckon he was speaking of Hira, a racist comment would be the one you were on about, not homophobic, unless she is a closet lesbian. Which I doubt.

Vicky. 04-08-2009 03:06 PM
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Has anyone stopped to think that maybe Hira would be getting a bit turned on if she heard what Marcus had said?
Umm I quite doubt that somehow...

Hedgie 04-08-2009 03:06 PM
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To be honest, I just watched the clip all the way through and I cannot really see what the fuss is about. It seemed to me Marcus was talking in a jocular fashion about how a person would behave if a semi-subservient desire to please carried over into a person's sex life. After the initial "turn" in the conversation he wasn't even talking about any particular person.

Further, I don't think there is particular gender significance to it beyond the simple fact that Marcus is a man speaking from a man's point of view. It would be quite possible for a woman to speculate in a similar way. In fact, I have both heard such conversations and even participated in them in a light-hearted way (representing my gender and being the butt of the joke but never offended).

With quite remarkable irony, one of the episodes of Friends following the BB highlights show repeat this morning was on this very topic, deriving some humour from the idea that Joey might "be there" for his partner (you might have to watch it to get the joke).

Yeah, he was being rather crude but I don't see any deeper significance to it.

Once again, I am surprised and slightly amused at the prudishness and widespread righteous indignation on this forum.
:thumbs: At last, some common sense. :xyxwave:

WOMBAI 04-08-2009 03:07 PM
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all men talk like this FACT.. its just boys locker room/pub talk.
just cos marcus has said it on tv doesnt make him any worse than any other guy on the street
No, to be fair that's not a fact because I wouldn't talk about a woman who I knew was devoutly Muslim in that way.

And neither would most of my male friends / aquaintances.

Posted by a bloke who isn't uptight, and likes women, and quite likes THE Irrepressible Underdog, but thinks that there is a line to be drawn there somewhere.
you must be in the minority mate? or maybe in the closet?:flower:
You must only have met really **** men in your time. I pity you
give me a leery bloke over a PC wimpy git anyday!! and most girls wil agree even if they dont admit it... lady chatterly anone?:elephant:
better than slimey men who pretend to be something they are not.(and more likely to slip something in your drink)
a girl can hope:cheer: lol
God forbid, should it ever happen to you - remember what you said and don't expect sympathy!

dbfs 04-08-2009 03:07 PM
Spot on they know the score when they go into BB they know that there will be all types from all walks of life if they cant deal with it they shouldnt go on it - its just that their hunger for fame is far greater at the time

Vicky. 04-08-2009 03:08 PM
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To be honest, I just watched the clip all the way through and I cannot really see what the fuss is about. It seemed to me Marcus was talking in a jocular fashion about how a person would behave if a semi-subservient desire to please carried over into a person's sex life. After the initial "turn" in the conversation he wasn't even talking about any particular person.

Further, I don't think there is particular gender significance to it beyond the simple fact that Marcus is a man speaking from a man's point of view. It would be quite possible for a woman to speculate in a similar way. In fact, I have both heard such conversations and even participated in them in a light-hearted way (representing my gender and being the butt of the joke but never offended).

With quite remarkable irony, one of the episodes of Friends following the BB highlights show repeat this morning was on this very topic, deriving some humour from the idea that Joey might "be there" for his partner (you might have to watch it to get the joke).

Yeah, he was being rather crude but I don't see any deeper significance to it.

Once again, I am surprised and slightly amused at the prudishness and widespread righteous indignation on this forum.
By far the best post of this thread.

Some people just have to make a mountain out of a molehill though. Bless them.

THEY are the ones with the mentality of 14 year olds, though that may be insulting to 14 year olds...

scot 04-08-2009 03:08 PM
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Can't believe women are actually saying it's acceptable to talk this way. I would be disgusted if I thought anyone was talking about me in those terms, never mind someone like Marcus

Siavash was reluctant to join in, probably because he has some respect. I think a lot of things that I don't say out loud because I realise it would be totally inappropriate and disrespectful
all men talk like this FACT.. its just boys locker room/pub talk.
just cos marcus has said it on tv doesnt make him any worse than any other guy on the street

posted by A FEMALE who isnt that uptight:dance2:
You know what's worst? Is that women think that by accepting this sort of behaviour they make themselves more attractive to men. Just like those sad desperate girls who pretend to be lesbians or say they would have a threesome just to try to get the attention of men. That's why you're emphasising the fact that your female and not uptight. Because you think, and perhaps rigthly, that it will gain you praise.

You do our whole gender a disservice. It's because of women like that passively accept being turned into objects of lust that the rest of us have to deal with being letched over

loomy(loony)that is soooo 2nd wave 1970s feminism. This is a post feminist era. Get educated, read what contemporary 3rd wave Feminists are now positing. You're 3 decades too late. :pat:
No; I don't like the new feminism. They've got it all wrong and try to justify everything by saying it's empowering to women when I don't think it is at all

oh, so THEY'VE got it all wrong, not you? All the 3rd wave feminists have got it wrong just cos they dont agree with your outdated/uptight views.

Nearly all cotemporary feminists dismiss the kind of feminism you seem to be spouting here as being female-centric, gender devisive and driven by MISANDRY.

Get real, get with it and chill out.

Blueisthecolour 04-08-2009 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by VickyJBecause it was the first word you used. And since you all reckon he was speaking of Hira, a racist comment would be the one you were on about, not homophobic, unless she is a closet lesbian. Which I doubt.
I doubt that too.

But my point was still a general one about free speech not excusing lack of respect.

ConnieLingus 04-08-2009 03:09 PM
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Has anyone stopped to think that maybe Hira would be getting a bit turned on if she heard what Marcus had said?
Umm I quite doubt that somehow...
Why not?

She's not a lesbian.

siavashsbigfan 04-08-2009 03:11 PM
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well if it was in the real world and not on tv she would never hear it or find out about it so whats the difference?:dance2::dog:
Well that's true.
But it was on TV and she probably will get to find out.
i know what your sayin but the whole point of big brother is seeing how people REALLY behave in life therefore its termed as a REALITY show... therefore in real life hira would never hear these comments... ok?:eureka:

WOMBAI 04-08-2009 03:11 PM
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Has anyone stopped to think that maybe Hira would be getting a bit turned on if she heard what Marcus had said?
Umm I quite doubt that somehow...
Why not?

She's not a lesbian.
Doubt she's into creeps - too sensible and too classy!

bebopalula 04-08-2009 03:12 PM
marcus might be funny to some under the age of 16 but im sure people of his own age would be aghast at his behaviour

Vicky. 04-08-2009 03:13 PM
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Has anyone stopped to think that maybe Hira would be getting a bit turned on if she heard what Marcus had said?
Umm I quite doubt that somehow...
Why not?

She's not a lesbian.
I just dont think marcus would be her type somehow...

I dont know why, I just find it hard to picture them together :laugh:


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