I can't believe I just read the **** that Vicky wrote in here. :bored:

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Actually you are the one that's not understanding.

He didnt do it to hurt sree at all...he didnt mock his culture...yes he mimicked his accent, something which sree had done to others on countless occasions.

I dont get how its ok for one person to do it and not for others to do it back...I really dont.

Thats like me mimicking an irish accent, then the irish person doing it back and me saying they are racist...

She doesn't, her argument is total bullshit.

Ok guys I gotta go, but really from my perspective, to summarise ...

= Some phrases/actions/words infer bad things and can relate to racist history, prejudices etc, whereas others do not. Which can cause offense.

= Tone, context, circumstance, knowledge of the person etc do matter too. But even so, you are skating on thin ice if you mock an Indian person's accent, and simply doing this can override a 'favourable' context.

= Marcus was casually warned by BB for mocking Sree's accent, but the Officialwarning was actually for his threatening behaviour in the garden (I watched the vid just now).

Night, I think we best end it here, just going round in circles now. :kiss:

My God, are you being serious here?

Marcus did make fun of Sree's accent to HURT him.

Weren't you watching back then?

He did it when they were arguing.

I have no problem with people mimicking other people's accent, but it depends on the circumstance. Marcus was doing it in a bullying way.

Like I said several times, I'm a Marcus fan.

But just because you are a fan of the guy, you don't have to wear homer glasses and worship his every move.

He could have but didnt feel offended by it. Maybe because he comes from the richer section of Indian society he doesnt feel the "racism" that Indians suffered that a lot of people do. Who knows. I dont intend to analyse him or his reactions and reasonings.

Marcus says he didnt intend any racial slur by his comments. Sree didnt see any racial abuse or feel offended by it.

Isnt it also possible to see racist comments or undertones in lots of conversations between "brits" and "indians" if you really want to look for them.

Says a lot more about your attitude than the intent of the person involved.

LOL it's ok dude, might as well just let it be now.

The weirdest thing is when she understood how pa*i was offensive because it implies racist abuse that Indians had in the past, etc. Yet mocking accent's highlights the same point; infering past abuse, hence it can cause offense.

And similarly, calling Rodrigo a 'brazilli' would have no offense; relates to NOTHING. Mocking his accent also has no offense; relates to NOTHING.

But she's still going on that it's equal, Indian or Brazilian. It's just a nonsensical argument. And to forget about history and think only of the now. :rolleyes:

Night peeps! :kiss:

Of course Im being serious.

It was a spur of the moment comment...yes it was a bad thing to do, but it was not racist, there was no racist intent behind it...they did it all the time, this time just happened to be during an arguement..

It wasnt bullying either...and unless you also class the way sree mocked freddies dyslexia during an arguement as bullying then you are a total hypocrite. Since I would say thats on round about the same level. Except the difference being Sree actually meant that as a very hurtful comment. I dont think Marcus did.

Going round in circles again.

Exactly.

These days I'm sure people just look for racism where there is none...seriously.

May be a nonsensical arguement to you and a few others...but I would imagine most people would see my point.

**** is an offensive word, period. Any indian called this, unless during jest with friends would find it offensive.

Mimicking accents is not necesarily racist, it depends on the context as I said...if someone said you stupid **** then continued to mock his accent it would be racist, if they were having an arguement about his country/background or something and his accent was mimicked, it would be racist..however this arguement was over shopping. And if the person it has been done to doesnt see it as this (which sree didnt) then there is no need to be looking for racism where there is none.

Marcus did that in the heat of an argument. Hence why BB brought him into the DR about it. Because mocking an Indian accent, especially in the heat of an argument (NOT PLAYFUL, ETC) can cause offense.

Because ... it has connotations to prejudice, abuse etc that Indians sufferred in the past decades. A lot of the hate was inclusive of mocking accents in a derogatory, condenscending way.

That's why BB made an issue of it. And he had no way out, because it wasn't jokey either; they were in the heat of an argument.

Charlie got away with it with Rod because mocking a Brazilian accent has little ground for being racist. So it's not that offensive at all. EVEN IF they were not in a jokey situation.

I actually think Vicky has made some good points as have Ahmedfan and Shasown.

It is one of those things you could argue and debate about till the cows come home and still not come to an agreed upon conclusion.

Of course what Sree said to Freddie was wrong, but that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

The intentions of Marcus comments were to hurt Sree. Else he wouldn't have done it. Also add to the fact that it was done in an argument, that should be enough evidence to back that. In order to gain the upper hand Marcus said something that he knew was going to upset Sree even further. He did that by making fun of his culture and it clearly worked by how Sree reacted afterward.

You know that's not the case. You think the BB production staff would be ignorant and obtuse about racism issues?

And read the other comments in this thread. Some people get it, you don't.

You want equality between races. So you say that it's ok for any race to mock another's race, as long as the context etc is suitable. But because of history, this ideal you have, falls apart.

That's the best way I can put it to you. It's a contradiction.

To have racial equality, on some level, we NEED inequality. We NEED certain favouritism and tilts to where it's needed. Otherwise you just end up with offense, inference to negative things of the past, one race dominating another as they were already ahead, etc.

Same thing with giving certain privilages to ethnic minorities. It's a form of catch up. The idea is, inequal privaliges enables racial equality.

That's the best I can do on this subject ...

Yes, and that BB reviewed the footage, realised it was used attackingly in the heat of an argument when Marcus was ANGRY ...

And brought him into the DR. :rolleyes:

Get your head out of where you have it.

BB raised it to show to the viewing public, it had reveiwed the situation and spoken to both sides and accepted no racism was meant or perceived.

That was simply an ass covering exercise on their behalf, to show the viewing public neither of the protagonists of the arguement considered it racist and they had investigated it themselves and deemed it not to be racist.

The warning was for Marcus making what could be perceived as a threat to sort Sree out, outside the confines of the BB house without the protection that afforded him.

What I disagree with her is on the intent behind Marcus's actions. Anyone watching it, knew he had nothing good behind it.

Yep...but some people don't see it as being that way. :bored:

Well if it was racist, and they deemed it racist, they would have warned him...simple. They saw an arguement getting heated and stepped in...also they didnt want some people, such as you, finding racism where there was none.

Some agree with your very strange views, others dont.
That makes no sense at all...to have equality we need favouritism in certain places...well thats NOT equality is it.


Quite simply, if sree thought it was ok to mock others accents, then he should be prepared for others to do it back.

Which he was, he didnt class it as racist, so neither should you.

I already said that the Official warning was for threatening behaviour, they pulled him into the DR earlier on regarding the accent thing though.

And yes, they did it to cover the grounds. But that's the point, it has definite potential to be offensive, even if it turned out that Sree was cool with it, and Marcus didn't mean it like that. But they had to do it; Marcus did it angrily in an argument!

The scenario of being pulled into the DR over copying Rod's accent, even in an argument, wouldn't happen - Because it has less potentiality for offense.

It's ultimately a grey topic going round in circles though. I'm gonna have to dash now.

Night everyone! :kiss:

So what you are saying is its okay for Indians to mock others for their language and culture, but not okay for anyone else to mock Indians because of something you perceive as abuse in the past.

I bet the nationals of Pakistan and Sri Lanka agree whole heartedly with that perception.

No there wasnt anything good behind it...but it was just an arguement...he shouldnt have done it...but it wasnt racist.

During an arguement about shopping marcus is hardly going to think 'oh I might mock his culture because he is of different race to me, lets mimick his accent' is he? :rolleyes:

I have a question for you, Vicky.

If you were having an argument with someone. Lets say someone from the US.

While arguing, he starts mimicking your British accent.

So you are telling me, you wouldn't find that a bit offensive in the least?