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MassiveTruck, I've never once belittled you; I have merely criticized your totally biased approach to this argument, that illustrates your inability to actually consider other points of view regarding a subject that will literally never disappear - as much as you would like it to - and instead you continue to treat us to various webpages that prove nothing other than the fact that any drug, or anything in life for that matter can be misused or abused, particularly by teenagers or people with a predisposition towards mental illness!
In many of your websites they use adolescents to highlight the drugs dangers but sure that's true in all cases with regard to children at a crucial moment in their development. And as for the studies on schizophrenia, the scientists themselves have said that they Can't Prove that it's the cause of the illness (and we're talking about large amounts of the drug being smoked over a long amount of time anyway) when all evidence points to the fact that marijuana causes no physiological addiction. This is about psychological addiction when we all know that unwell people will develop many unhealthy habits in an attempt to shield themselves from the realities of their lives. But as you're in the habit of using "facts" to highlight the dangers of the drug, here's a PUBLISHED study that was made only two years ago that highlights the inherent hyprocrisy of condemning a drug like Cannabis when there are so many others, including legal drugs, that are far worse for an individual. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6474053.stm http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17760130/ This is a genuine study and not just a rant made by one scientist or journalist. |
Excellent points. And legalisation could prevent Cannabis from getting into the hands of vulnerable young minds. Of course many will still find a way, but at present it is a statistical fact that Cannabis is easier to obtain in America than beer for under 18's because, once again, drug dealers tend not to ask for ID.
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I am not responsible for people smoking Cannabis going insane. The fact is, and make no mistake about it, this is a fact, anybody who wants Cannabis can get it. It's not hard. So make it legal, make it safer, and make it cleaner. Quote:
But wait ... whats this ... you think people would STILL risk going to dealers for cheaper Cannabis when they could GROW IT FOR FREE? Says it all. Quote:
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There are strains of Cannabis out there that provide no sedation at all. But what does it matter. You had no idea what CBD was to begin with, considering you mentioned it separately to both Cannabidiol and a Cannabinoid, even though CBD IS Cannabidiol and Cannabidiol IS A CANNABINOID. And then you tell ME in the same sentence you formed around your errors to read up on it? Your dead in the water. Post all the meaningless s*** you want back. Rational people still know a legal Cannabis market is safer than an illegal one. The amount of people who develop problems from Cannabis is a tiny fraction of the overall userbase. Most of these problems come from Cannabis that could be ended if it were made legal. A ****ing meerkat could understand that logic. Enough of this mess. I am no longer wasting time arguing with a bully who loves to goad others into arguments to then make them feel terrible about themselves. Your remarks about sedation, THC and the other components of Cannabis prove to me you have no idea what you are talking about and you are currently in the process of schooling yourself about Cannabis just to make some people feel terrible about themselves. So go ahead, post ANYTHING you like back. It matters not. Not after this... Quote:
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LOL! Now thats put me in the mood for a smoke! [/rquote] Hmm... You actually think people will grow enough Cannabis for themselves? That's illogical and not possible... That's why crime will rise 10 fold without it. How many plants for how many spliffs? Do you see how it's impossible? This is why crime will rise as crime (with the evidence I have shown you) has risen in Portugal, Canada, US and all across Europe to traffic in drugs to countries where it is legal... Yeah? Come on... I have given evidence for this but you're trying to make out there is truth to this. I would love to know if you can actually reply to everything I posted instead of manipulating tit bits to make it sound like I got something wrong. Is that possible? I mean, you just twisted something I said and said I was wrong (when I wasn't) and then said you're going to get a smoke. Anywhere, here is a link regarding THC and the sedating effect to rubbish your misinformed view about sedation. Enjoy... (I doubt) This is from a BBC documentary. This is a showing a plant where they are removing "good products" from "certain cannabis plants" which have have Cannabinoid properties beneficial to medicinal gains. You should really read up. READ UP... because in the real world, (away from the idiots writing on Wiki) people will laugh at you totally. Read those links I posted. This is free advice. Nobody else will give it you. Watch from 1:51 - this was on the BBC a while back http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa6dX1Ok8rY&NR Take note he talks about run of the mill Cannabis strains with anti-psychotic properties. Google this guy - he has studied Cannabis for years. Move on to where he is Quote:
Free advice. Because you haven't got a clue. You have sidestepped a lot of what I have said and I have responded to you with evidence. Clear as it is. Your views on California are flawed! Utterly. |
[rquote=2609241&tid=147499&author=setanta]MassiveTruck, I've never once belittled you; I have merely criticized your totally bias approach to this argument, that illustrates your inability to actually consider other points of view regarding a subject that will literally never disappear - as much as you would like it to - and instead you continue to treat us to various webpages that prove nothing other than the fact that any drug, or anything in life for that matter can be misused or abused, particularly by teenagers or people with a predisposition towards mental illness!
In many of your websites they use adolescents to highlight the drugs dangers but sure that's true in all cases with regard to children at a crucial moment in their development. And as for the studies on schizophrenia, the scientists themselves have said that they Can't Prove that it's the cause of the illness (and we're talking about large amounts of the drug being smoked over a long amount of time anyway) when all evidence points to the fact that marijuana causes no physiological addiction. This is about psychological addiction when we all know that unwell people will develop many unhealthy habits in an attempt to shield themselves from the realities of their lives. But as you're in the habit of using "facts" to highlight the dangers of the drug, here's a PUBLISHED study that was made only two years ago that highlights the inherent hyprocrisy of condemning a drug like Cannabis when there are so many others, including legal drugs, that are far worse for an individual. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6474053.stm http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17760130/ This is a genuine study and not just a rant made by one scientist or journalist.[/rquote] You do realise that drug classification system was laughed upon and Cannabis was deemed Class B again right? There you go. Check my evidence for crime rates and rehab rise where Cannabis is legalised. Seriously... it's all there. Not too far to look. Lots of links - loads of links about it. |
[rquote=2609272&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight]Excellent points. And legalisation could prevent Cannabis from getting into the hands of vulnerable young minds. Of course many will still find a way, but at present it is a statistical fact that Cannabis is easier to obtain in America than beer for under 18's because, once again, drug dealers tend not to ask for ID.[/rquote]
Knowing this you want it legalised? Is it because you're (like I said) only interested in your pride and ego rather than the suffering of so many. Seriously, check up the suicide and mental illness of young minds and how experts and the BMJ have said we're sitting on a mental health timebomb with our youth. Funny how, you have no faith in our government when Cannabis is illegal BUT ...You have faith in our government when Cannabis is legal... Can you see how I see so many contradictions. |
I just want to post this again so you can read up on the things you know little about.
Answers to your replies and also the misunderstandings in your beliefs are below. [rquote=2608376&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck]Let me start by saying, if you accept my view on things, fine, I will disappear. If you abuse and insult and make out you know better without evidence, then I will return. Well I don't know if it's your lack of knowledge, your ignorance to facts or your inability to answer and respond to questions that makes me laugh or in fact the videos you post from the pro cannabis council - or maybe it's your need to hurl insults and abuse that makes me laugh a lot. For instance Probe Eight, you basically repeat yourself about he same thing. It can be responded with the simple answer as - it's propoganda you're posting that has no relevance to the global problem and ignores it as well. Those videos for instance. They are biassed. You do know that all those pro-cannabis websites don't have an iota of evidence for what they say. While Setanta you think that if you put yourself forward as smart or intelligent then you can get away from answering questions, mainly by belittling the person you are responding to. You seem to think the mental health problem is due to hydroponics but that's not true either because most people take Cannabis for it's high THC content and therefore need these types of strains to feel sedated and basically escape from their lives. All Cannabis has these problems (see small number of links below) You do know that Portugal only legalised drugs because of the massive drug problem they had (which was causing problems for the economy) so they decided to tax insurance companies and create rehab treatment and other ventures to make money from addicts. People in rehab in Portugal is through the roof by the way - and this due to decriminalising of drugs - so it makes it easier to be an addict? Get it. Portugal has stopped targeting drug dealers and instead just shove people into rehab. They are still there, it's just their life is easier - which... erm... is what I just told you? Yeah. Please, join the dots. It's not hard. I mean seriously, criminals will disappear because users will buy their stock from shops... erm... yeah... that will happen, I am sure... if you're naive that is. Wow...! Anyway, cutting a long story short... I might as well just post some links for you to respond to. Before you read them, realise that some people, in fact the vast majority of people have a life and they don't need drugs and you forget about the peopel who have families, friends and health systems who have to struggle due to drugs. Go for it. It's liberty isn't it - not mine but at least I care. That's the difference between me and you. Reply to these. Enjoy. Cannabis alters DNA, lowers immunity, heightens disease risks http://www.indianexpress.com/news/ca...study/477395/1 Schizophrenia link http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2407027.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4486548.stm Marijuana withdrawal symptom http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/disp...54701?verify=0 Rise in drug deaths due to Cannabis rise http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...aths-rise.html Problems with drug dealers and rise in crime due to downgrading http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/p...locked-up.html Cannabis could kill thousands http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2995275.stm Cannabis use, hundreds of deaths a year http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ner-warns.html Cannabis users five times more prone to violence http://www.indianexpress.com/news/ca...study/477395/1 Drug use spirals - review drug laws http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...944CBF228BDB97 Portugal's (and other country's) soft use on cannabis causes problems elsewhere http://www.lca-uk.org/news/shownewsa...rticleid=14736 Problems in dealing with drug related problems http://www.springerlink.com/content/m72755578r724363/ Decriminalisation in portugal leading to lowering of drug use is due to fiddling of statististics http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...893946,00.html Portugal's rise in drug treatment rockets due to decriminilization http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/html.cfm/index35987EN.html Marijuana withdrawal and nightmares http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthrea...e5557b&t=95618 Rise in rehab due to cannabis downgrade http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ed-double.html Problems with studying cannabis due to strains and mental health issues and side effects http://www.parliament.the-stationery.../15107.htm#a12 Schizophrenia/psychosis and cannabis http://www.mentalhealthcare.org.uk/content/?id=30 Problems with drug treatment with sex offenders due to legalisation in California http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/us/27parole.html?hp Drug trafficking in Canada leads to Murder capital (take note of legalisation effects here!!) http://www.vancouversun.com/farming+...138/story.html Drug trouble in Canada's Paradise http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8231534.stm Marijuana and testicular cancer http://articles.latimes.com/2009/feb...he-marijuana16 Cannabis and suicide http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle3953555.ece http://www.abc.net.au/health/minutes...es/s473102.htm http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-to-death.html http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/s...007061,00.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/405259.stm http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....s_suicide.html http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1156893.ece http://www.eastbourneherald.co.uk/ha...ile.5260493.jp http://www.lep.co.uk/news/Hanged-man...ion.5276374.jp http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...C4FE611DDB7A19 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...s-suicide.html Canada's Drug Crime rate due to decriminilising http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/cana.../10955301.html Drug rehab for kids on cannabis http://www.eadt.co.uk/content/eadt/n...A20%3A48%3A330 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/ch...50-a-week.html http://www.wellsphere.com/wellpage/marijuana-rehab Addiction http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...addiction.html http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle5946633.ece Mental Illness http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...ts-397449.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...bis-users.html http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0602160845.htm http://www.gnmhealthcare.com/cgi-bin...alse&lecture=1 http://www.gnmhealthcare.com/cgi-bin...alse&lecture=1 http://www.gnmhealthcare.com/cgi-bin...alse&lecture=1 http://www.psychiatrymatters.md/head..._psychosis.xml http://www.psychiatrymatters.md/head...hosis_risk.xml http://www.psychiatrymatters.md/head..._psychosis.xml http://www.primarypsychiatry.com/asp...articleid=2038 http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...gy-440730.html http://www.mentalhealthcare.org.uk/content/?id=27 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...a98f9ab41ded86 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...llness-40.html http://www.southendstandard.co.uk/ne...ned_by_police/ http://www.psychiatrymatters.md/head...s@ntlworld.com http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/con...t/66/1/95?home Dutch problems with Cannabis http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...SpG82yJ8piAGlg California problems with cannabis http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may...ion/oe-maher21 Drug dependency in newborns http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...t-1693502.html Causal association between cannabis and psychosis http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/abstract/184/2/110 Slavery and Cannabis http://www.newstatesman.com/law-and-...farms-children Cannabis overdose http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/new...46-23684609/2/ Pharmaceutical, clinically developed drug so no need to smoke cannabis for MS http://www.pharmafocus.com/cda/focus...492783,00.html Skunk Knife murderer http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...D6DE77E0635A80 Psychotic Cannabis user knifes policeman http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...ath/article.do Cannabis induced driver leaves girlfriend for dead http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-to-death.html More on pharmaceutical use of cannabis to stop "recreational use" http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...t-anymore.html Man stabbed to death http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...y-brother.html Portugal fall in crime rate is due to decriminilisation - problems still rife http://www.addictionpro.com/ME2/dirm...B52AD812DC3644 Quote:
Drug peddling http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/44286...ne_by_bicycle/ "recreational" effects on family http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-e...-dealer-father Drug enduced fatal accident http://austriantimes.at/index.php?id=14004 Cannabis used as rape drug http://www.3news.co.nz/News/National...4/Default.aspx [/rquote] |
[rquote=2609918&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2609241&tid=147499&author=setanta]MassiveTruck, I've never once belittled you; I have merely criticized your totally bias approach to this argument, that illustrates your inability to actually consider other points of view regarding a subject that will literally never disappear - as much as you would like it to - and instead you continue to treat us to various webpages that prove nothing other than the fact that any drug, or anything in life for that matter can be misused or abused, particularly by teenagers or people with a predisposition towards mental illness!
In many of your websites they use adolescents to highlight the drugs dangers but sure that's true in all cases with regard to children at a crucial moment in their development. And as for the studies on schizophrenia, the scientists themselves have said that they Can't Prove that it's the cause of the illness (and we're talking about large amounts of the drug being smoked over a long amount of time anyway) when all evidence points to the fact that marijuana causes no physiological addiction. This is about psychological addiction when we all know that unwell people will develop many unhealthy habits in an attempt to shield themselves from the realities of their lives. But as you're in the habit of using "facts" to highlight the dangers of the drug, here's a PUBLISHED study that was made only two years ago that highlights the inherent hyprocrisy of condemning a drug like Cannabis when there are so many others, including legal drugs, that are far worse for an individual. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6474053.stm http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17760130/ This is a genuine study and not just a rant made by one scientist or journalist.[/rquote] You do realise that drug classification system was laughed upon and Cannabis was deemed Class B again right? There you go. Check my evidence for crime rates and rehab rise where Cannabis is legalised. Seriously... it's all there. Not too far to look. Lots of links - loads of links about it.[/rquote] You're like a broken record, incapable of listening to anything we say on the subject. There's a flaw in everything you say and it's highlighted in the survey that I have posted. You can't be so obtuse about a subject that will never ever go away, yet you continue to rant on about the dangers of an illegal substance when all evidence points to the fact that there are other legal drugs that are far more dangerous to the individual and the community in general, yet you along with your government seem to readily accept this. Can't you see your hypocrisy and how you're just here trying to demonise a drug that will outlast us all and has been here for centuries. |
[rquote=2609959&tid=147499&author=setanta][rquote=2609918&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2609241&tid=147499&author=setanta]MassiveTruck, I've never once belittled you; I have merely criticized your totally bias approach to this argument, that illustrates your inability to actually consider other points of view regarding a subject that will literally never disappear - as much as you would like it to - and instead you continue to treat us to various webpages that prove nothing other than the fact that any drug, or anything in life for that matter can be misused or abused, particularly by teenagers or people with a predisposition towards mental illness!
In many of your websites they use adolescents to highlight the drugs dangers but sure that's true in all cases with regard to children at a crucial moment in their development. And as for the studies on schizophrenia, the scientists themselves have said that they Can't Prove that it's the cause of the illness (and we're talking about large amounts of the drug being smoked over a long amount of time anyway) when all evidence points to the fact that marijuana causes no physiological addiction. This is about psychological addiction when we all know that unwell people will develop many unhealthy habits in an attempt to shield themselves from the realities of their lives. But as you're in the habit of using "facts" to highlight the dangers of the drug, here's a PUBLISHED study that was made only two years ago that highlights the inherent hyprocrisy of condemning a drug like Cannabis when there are so many others, including legal drugs, that are far worse for an individual. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6474053.stm http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17760130/ This is a genuine study and not just a rant made by one scientist or journalist.[/rquote] You do realise that drug classification system was laughed upon and Cannabis was deemed Class B again right? There you go. Check my evidence for crime rates and rehab rise where Cannabis is legalised. Seriously... it's all there. Not too far to look. Lots of links - loads of links about it.[/rquote] You're like a broken record, incapable of listening to anything we say on the subject. There's a flaw in everything you say and it's highlighted in the survey that I have posted. You can't be so obtuse about a subject that will never ever go away, yet you continue to rant on about the dangers of an illegal substance when all evidence points to the fact that there are other legal drugs that are far more dangerous to the individual and the community in general, yet you along with your government seem to readily accept this. Can't you see your hypocrisy and how you're just here trying to demonise a drug that will outlast us all and has been here for centuries.[/rquote] Setanta - that link you posted, if you know about Cannabis was deemed flawed by the people who presented it because Cannabis down grading led to a rise in Drug deaths and since it was up graded again - death rates from drugs decreased again. It was all over the papers. Serious to God, read what I post. It's not hard. I mean, you posted a link saying Tobacco is a dangerous drug. What do you think is in a spliff? Sherbert!!!? |
[rquote=2609959&tid=147499&author=setanta]yet you continue to rant on about the dangers of an illegal substance when all evidence points to the fact that there are other legal drugs that are far more dangerous to the individual and the community in general,[/rquote]
Oh erm... ok Let's legalise it and increase the problems on society because other drugs are worse. That kind of logic will kill us all!! It's like saying "Oh, a Bazooka kills hundreds but a knife only kills one person at a time - so let's legalise that!"" Oh My GOD!! |
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This is a genuine study and not just a rant made by one scientist or journalist.[/rquote] It's not even a study. It's just a table based upon some unknown levels which was laughed upon and Cannabis became Class B again. Since then everybody has said Cannabis is far too harmful to be legalised but erm... not you based upon nothing but a simple belief. Really... read up. Do you know those links above? Yeah. It has about 40 genuine studies on it. Have a read. Most of the articles are based upon genuine studies too.. OK? COol. I have told you, the answers are there. Your response is always "oh massive truck, you're just a government apologist who can't see the good in cannabis and you post rants from journalists" Maybe you should look at the studies I posted. Yeah? |
[rquote=2609999&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2609959&tid=147499&author=setanta][rquote=2609918&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2609241&tid=147499&author=setanta]MassiveTruck, I've never once belittled you; I have merely criticized your totally bias approach to this argument, that illustrates your inability to actually consider other points of view regarding a subject that will literally never disappear - as much as you would like it to - and instead you continue to treat us to various webpages that prove nothing other than the fact that any drug, or anything in life for that matter can be misused or abused, particularly by teenagers or people with a predisposition towards mental illness!
In many of your websites they use adolescents to highlight the drugs dangers but sure that's true in all cases with regard to children at a crucial moment in their development. And as for the studies on schizophrenia, the scientists themselves have said that they Can't Prove that it's the cause of the illness (and we're talking about large amounts of the drug being smoked over a long amount of time anyway) when all evidence points to the fact that marijuana causes no physiological addiction. This is about psychological addiction when we all know that unwell people will develop many unhealthy habits in an attempt to shield themselves from the realities of their lives. But as you're in the habit of using "facts" to highlight the dangers of the drug, here's a PUBLISHED study that was made only two years ago that highlights the inherent hyprocrisy of condemning a drug like Cannabis when there are so many others, including legal drugs, that are far worse for an individual. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6474053.stm http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17760130/ This is a genuine study and not just a rant made by one scientist or journalist.[/rquote] You do realise that drug classification system was laughed upon and Cannabis was deemed Class B again right? There you go. Check my evidence for crime rates and rehab rise where Cannabis is legalised. Seriously... it's all there. Not too far to look. Lots of links - loads of links about it.[/rquote] You're like a broken record, incapable of listening to anything we say on the subject. There's a flaw in everything you say and it's highlighted in the survey that I have posted. You can't be so obtuse about a subject that will never ever go away, yet you continue to rant on about the dangers of an illegal substance when all evidence points to the fact that there are other legal drugs that are far more dangerous to the individual and the community in general, yet you along with your government seem to readily accept this. Can't you see your hypocrisy and how you're just here trying to demonise a drug that will outlast us all and has been here for centuries.[/rquote] Setanta - that link you posted, if you know about Cannabis was deemed flawed by the people who presented it because Cannabis down grading led to a rise in Drug deaths and since it was up graded again - death rates from drugs decreased again. It was all over the papers. Serious to God, read what I post. It's not hard. I mean, you posted a link saying Tobacco is a dangerous drug. What do you think is in a spliff? Sherbert!!!?[/rquote] You're still not listening are you? I can't talk to you anymore cuz you're just on a mission to vilify the drug here and not listen to anything else. You know for every incident you post of somebody crashing while under the influence of cannabis, I could post you 100 on somebody dying while under the influence of alcohol. The fact is nobody has od'd on marijuana and it's safer in all respects to many legal drugs and yet you continue to deny this and post isolated incidents of the drug having been involved in some gang related criminal act. I honestly can't respond to you anymore cuz you just talk in circles without actually dealing about the reality of life and the fact that this drug will ALWAYS be with us. I've already responded to everything you've posted and I'm too tired of your rhetoric and venom. You're just trying to illicit a response and I'm seriously bored of your approach to the whole subject which has been proven to be hypocritical and biased. That survey proves my points. |
My final post just as a Taster of what you're supporting
I've had enough.
There is evidence against everything you say. You make out because Alcohol (which is legal, probably the reason why if you think about it) kills more people, then Cannabis should be legal. No consideration for all the suicides, the terrorist opportunism and the countless problems with it. Carry on. If this is the beliefs you love. Enjoy. Before I go - Some studies Suicide and Cannabis by the way http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/j...TRY=1&SRETRY=0 Oh and a twins study with cannabis and suicide http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/con...act/61/10/1026 I love this one http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...85f36f697418a9 Quote:
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http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...c9ed575ac017af Just before I go. You know, there are alike hundreds of studies like this. Studying suicide rates amongst cannabis users. Off the top of my head - that's like thousands, just for the studies. WOWZER!!! Just a taster of what you're supporting. Enjoy! |
...Forgot to add
Since you like studies - just google them. look for mental health and cannabis - I have posted loads up there but I guess you missed them since you said I only posted "rants from journalists and one scientist"
Really - read up. Help mankind. Adios. |
Oh. My. Everloving. God. Why are you ignoring my point about CBD/THC/Cannabinoids/Cannabidiol? And the fact that you thought each one of them were different things? And you want ME to listen to YOU?
I thought you shot yourself in the brains with your inability to tell the difference between the vital components of the Cannabis plant, which you seem to have ignored, and that was AFTER you were done claiming the Hemp plant and Cannabis drug were two different things, which you are also ignoring, but you have TOPPED YOURSELF AGAIN! Quote:
You ARE aware that with ONE pack of FOUR seeds alone, which can be grown roughly in a meter square area over the space of three months that you can get DOZENS OF OUNCES? And thats if you are a really bad grower? You ARE aware that from a SINGLE PLANT you can get hundreds of spliffs? Of course your not aware. Because you are a moron. And you dont know a thing. Dear lord, this is worse than I thought! You really are an ignorant, pathetic, miserable old fool! Not only that, but your STILL in denial of the fact that Cannabis' benefits far outweigh it's negatives! You have SCOURGED the internet for virtually every piece of negative Cannabis news you can find, yet NONE of it matters because your in complete ignorance of the fact that MOST PEOPLE WHO SMOKE CANNABIS DO SO WITHOUT ANY TROUBLE! It's like me searching for alcohol related stories, which is pretty easy, considering ALCOHOL PLAYS A PART IN VIOLENT CRIME ON THE STREETS MORE THAN CANNABIS DOES, FAR MORE and posting them all here! You really are un-freaking-BELIEVABLE! Im starting to feel sorry for you! I dont know should I be arguing with you! How old are you man, like, 13? Either that or some naive adult with some serious issues who never had much of a social life? This is torture! You actualy BELIEVE it is ... in your words .... ''illogical'' and ''not possible''? A SINGLE PLANT could provide for an entire family of even the most hardcore rastas who smoke for three months! And with that also goes your insane terrorism argument! How many people do you know who buy cornflakes from the Al Qaeda because it's cheaper? And if Cannabis and terrorism is so intertwined, how come the dutch are not importing vast quantities of cannabis from terrorists? You dare try and make me feel bad for wanting Cannabis illegal because of the people suffering from the drug itself, YET THE PEOPLE IN JAILS SUFFERING FROM ITS LEGAL STATUS DWARFS THEM IN NUMBER! SIMPLE MATHS! And with that is my argument for every petty link you have posted! |
And you're still posting websites that I've already responded to, stating that of course young adults would be illequiped to deal with any type of drug and those studies also indicate that there's an awful lot of other factors involved, including genetic predisposition. What I'm basically trying to state is that we all realise that every type of drug can be abused and can have a terrible effect on the young and those who are susceptible to mental illness, but it's your hypocrisy that really is astounding considering that there are many drugs that are far more dangerous. I've already answered this!!
You just continue on your quest, without listening to or reading any other surveys that we've posted. And we're not on a mission to demonise other drugs here; just trying to have a balanced conversation here regarding the drug and yet you continue to post isolated incidents of acts of violence that sometimes have a tenuous link to cannabis. Should I post ones relating to alcohol? Or maybe eating disorders,etc? This is all about people having a choice and taking the power out of the criminals hands, so that the drug can be monitored, controlled and the quality of the product can be insured. |
[rquote=2610222&tid=147499&author=setanta]And you're still posting websites that I've already responded to, stating that of course young adults would be illequiped to deal with any type of drug and those studies also indicate that there's an awful lot of other factors involved, including genetic predisposition. What I'm basically trying to state is that we all realise that every type of drug can be abused and can have a terrible effect on the young and those who are susceptible to mental illness, but it's your hypocrisy that really is astounding considering that there are many drugs that are far more dangerous. I've already answered this!!
You just continue on your quest, without listening to or reading any other surveys that we've posted. And we're not on a mission to demonise other drugs here; just trying to have a balanced conversation here regarding the drug and yet you continue to post isolated incidents of acts of violence that sometimes have a tenuous link to cannabis. Should I post ones relating to alcohol? Or maybe eating disorders,etc? This is all about people having a choice and taking the power out of the criminals hands, so that the drug can be monitored, controlled and the quality of the product can be insured. [/rquote] Exactly! If we scoured the internet for alcohol/crime related links, even with it's LEGAL STATUS, we would crash the This Is Big Brother servers with the sheer amount of links posted! I am, in fact, letting MYSELF down here I am sorry to say. This moron has goaded me into something and now I see he is just a wind up merchant. *sigh* |
And yes, ProbeEight is right. This is a fecking natural drug that can be grown at home and that destroys any connection with criminals if each household was allowed to grow their own plant. I honestly don't think you know what you're talking about.
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http://www.vancouversun.com/health/P...230/story.html
Just one victim of the law. The law that claims more victims each and every year than the drug itself. |
[rquote=2611425&tid=147499&author=ProbeEight]http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Prince+sentence+reeks+injustice+mocks+sovereignty/2042230/story.html
Just one victim of the law. The law that claims more victims each and every year than the drug itself.[/rquote] Ridiculous stuff |
This is stupid. Alcohol and cannabis are completely different things. The price, effect, health risks everything, why are they being compared?
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I don't smoke cannibis but I have tried it. It makes me feel dizzy and sick. Having said that I know people that do, alot of them don't drink so it's their thing instead.
Personally, I think the people who end up addicted to it are the same sort of people who would end up being alcoholics, addictive personalities or circumstances at the time whatever! I think If you're somebody who disagrees strongly with legalising cannibis then it would be hypocritical of you to not also condem alcohol as alcohol is as bad if not worse than it. And also, I have no experiance of it but I have heard that it really helps people medicinally sometimes. If that is true, I would never deny a person suffering or in pain a bit of relief! |
ALL THE STUFF THAT PROBE EIGHT AND SETANTA CANNOT COUNTER ARGUE BECAUSE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND ACADEMIC TEXTS AND COMPLEX SYNTAX
I'll also post this in a new thread so it's easy access for you.
[rquote=2610222&tid=147499&author=setanta]And you're still posting websites that I've already responded to, stating that of course young adults would be illequiped to deal with any type of drug and those studies also indicate that there's an awful lot of other factors involved, including genetic predisposition. What I'm basically trying to state is that we all realise that every type of drug can be abused and can have a terrible effect on the young and those who are susceptible to mental illness, but it's your hypocrisy that really is astounding considering that there are many drugs that are far more dangerous. I've already answered this!! You just continue on your quest, without listening to or reading any other surveys that we've posted. And we're not on a mission to demonise other drugs here; just trying to have a balanced conversation here regarding the drug and yet you continue to post isolated incidents of acts of violence that sometimes have a tenuous link to cannabis. Should I post ones relating to alcohol? Or maybe eating disorders,etc? This is all about people having a choice and taking the power out of the criminals hands, so that the drug can be monitored, controlled and the quality of the product can be insured. [/rquote] Surveys you've posted? What surveys? Oh right... I get it, now you're lying in order to show people that you have actually posted something legible when you haven't posted anything legible at all. Oh right... so you resort to lying (a bit like in the Muse thread as well..? Yeah? OK) in order to save face. Counter argue what is written. I dare you, I double dare you. Go for it. Here are some facts for you to chew on. http://www.idmu.co.uk/cannabis/canna...n-britain.html Scroll down to Health Problems and you'll see the effect it has on 1 in 2 users of Cannabis. Regular users have regular problems with the drug. Problems range from Headache, Paranoia, Chest Problems, Panic Attacks, Anxiety, Psychosis, Apathy, Running out (addiction) 6.3% of users suffer from this all the time, that is 1 in 20, 1 in 3 suffer from this more than occasionally). Balance, Motor Skills (accidents) and Vomiting. Now compare problems to frequency of use. You see a clear relationship that those who take it regularly have problems with the drug. In light of this every individual who takes it regularly has some problems with it on a regular basis BUT They still take the drug. Then you have the nerve, the audacity, the arrogance, the ego to say that, oh it's just kids oh it's just a few people, oh it's just the criminals. How dare you. How the hell dare you ignore all I have put forward and lie your way through everything you say to save face. Your position on this is null. You have no grounds at all to counter argue - because you do not understand any of the stuff I posted. That is the bottom line to this. I posted numerous recent studies on suicide and mental illness, and you ignored it. The laughable factor is you try and save face by saying you know that it gets abused - well hey what genius - take a look at the statistics and look at the effects of the abuse. You then have the pathetic nerve to say everybody will grow their plants in their home. If it's that cheap and convenient - why isn't everybody doing it now? Oh I guess you're going to say it's illegal - that was your excuse. Christ you do make me laugh. Like I said, and listen up clearly. You don't have faith in the government when it's illegal but oddly, pathetically, laughably, you seem to have faith in the government when it is legal? That has to be the most funniest contradiction ever. The most widely used drug in the country will lead to massive fashion to grow Marijuana in every household and criminals will disappear. The naivety is insane Anyway, just going to requote the stuff you haven't replied to yet, for your benefit. Well done. |
Here you go. Just some stuff you missed replying to.
[rquote=2610114&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck]I've had enough. There is evidence against everything you say. You make out because Alcohol (which is legal, probably the reason why if you think about it) kills more people, then Cannabis should be legal. No consideration for all the suicides, the terrorist opportunism and the countless problems with it. Carry on. If this is the beliefs you love. Enjoy. Before I go - Some studies Suicide and Cannabis by the way http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/j...TRY=1&SRETRY=0 Oh and a twins study with cannabis and suicide http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/con...act/61/10/1026 I love this one http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...85f36f697418a9 Quote:
http://pt.wkhealth.com/pt/re/addi/abstract.00008514-200209000-00010.htm;jsessionid=K1YM1nD9kbqSXRsxFDPvgZhGf0R11 K2GYG2dVyr6SYjQKrb7nZld!-670034922!181195628!8091!-1 Quote:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...c9ed575ac017af Just before I go. You know, there are alike hundreds of studies like this. Studying suicide rates amongst cannabis users. Off the top of my head - that's like thousands, just for the studies. WOWZER!!! Just a taster of what you're supporting. Enjoy![/rquote] ...Forgot to add Since you like studies - just google them. look for mental health and cannabis - I have posted loads up there but I guess you missed them since you said I only posted "rants from journalists and one scientist" Really - read up. Help mankind. Adios. |
Erm, if you had read these you should be cowering in the corner of the room at your lack of knowledge but it seems as though you're far too arrogant and delusional for that.
But here it is again. Enjoy! [rquote=2609931&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck]I just want to post this again so you can read up on the things you know little about. Answers to your replies and also the misunderstandings in your beliefs are below. [rquote=2608376&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck]Let me start by saying, if you accept my view on things, fine, I will disappear. If you abuse and insult and make out you know better without evidence, then I will return. Well I don't know if it's your lack of knowledge, your ignorance to facts or your inability to answer and respond to questions that makes me laugh or in fact the videos you post from the pro cannabis council - or maybe it's your need to hurl insults and abuse that makes me laugh a lot. For instance Probe Eight, you basically repeat yourself about he same thing. It can be responded with the simple answer as - it's propoganda you're posting that has no relevance to the global problem and ignores it as well. Those videos for instance. They are biassed. You do know that all those pro-cannabis websites don't have an iota of evidence for what they say. While Setanta you think that if you put yourself forward as smart or intelligent then you can get away from answering questions, mainly by belittling the person you are responding to. You seem to think the mental health problem is due to hydroponics but that's not true either because most people take Cannabis for it's high THC content and therefore need these types of strains to feel sedated and basically escape from their lives. All Cannabis has these problems (see small number of links below) You do know that Portugal only legalised drugs because of the massive drug problem they had (which was causing problems for the economy) so they decided to tax insurance companies and create rehab treatment and other ventures to make money from addicts. People in rehab in Portugal is through the roof by the way - and this due to decriminalising of drugs - so it makes it easier to be an addict? Get it. Portugal has stopped targeting drug dealers and instead just shove people into rehab. They are still there, it's just their life is easier - which... erm... is what I just told you? Yeah. Please, join the dots. It's not hard. I mean seriously, criminals will disappear because users will buy their stock from shops... erm... yeah... that will happen, I am sure... if you're naive that is. Wow...! Anyway, cutting a long story short... I might as well just post some links for you to respond to. Before you read them, realise that some people, in fact the vast majority of people have a life and they don't need drugs and you forget about the peopel who have families, friends and health systems who have to struggle due to drugs. Go for it. It's liberty isn't it - not mine but at least I care. That's the difference between me and you. Reply to these. Enjoy. Cannabis alters DNA, lowers immunity, heightens disease risks http://www.indianexpress.com/news/ca...study/477395/1 Schizophrenia link http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2407027.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4486548.stm Marijuana withdrawal symptom http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/disp...54701?verify=0 Rise in drug deaths due to Cannabis rise http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...aths-rise.html Problems with drug dealers and rise in crime due to downgrading http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/p...locked-up.html Cannabis could kill thousands http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2995275.stm Cannabis use, hundreds of deaths a year http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ner-warns.html Cannabis users five times more prone to violence http://www.indianexpress.com/news/ca...study/477395/1 Drug use spirals - review drug laws http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...944CBF228BDB97 Portugal's (and other country's) soft use on cannabis causes problems elsewhere http://www.lca-uk.org/news/shownewsa...rticleid=14736 Problems in dealing with drug related problems http://www.springerlink.com/content/m72755578r724363/ Decriminalisation in portugal leading to lowering of drug use is due to fiddling of statististics http://www.time.com/time/health/arti...893946,00.html Portugal's rise in drug treatment rockets due to decriminilization http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/html.cfm/index35987EN.html Marijuana withdrawal and nightmares http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthrea...e5557b&t=95618 Rise in rehab due to cannabis downgrade http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...ed-double.html Problems with studying cannabis due to strains and mental health issues and side effects http://www.parliament.the-stationery.../15107.htm#a12 Schizophrenia/psychosis and cannabis http://www.mentalhealthcare.org.uk/content/?id=30 Problems with drug treatment with sex offenders due to legalisation in California http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/us/27parole.html?hp Drug trafficking in Canada leads to Murder capital (take note of legalisation effects here!!) http://www.vancouversun.com/farming+...138/story.html Drug trouble in Canada's Paradise http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8231534.stm Marijuana and testicular cancer http://articles.latimes.com/2009/feb...he-marijuana16 Cannabis and suicide http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle3953555.ece http://www.abc.net.au/health/minutes...es/s473102.htm http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-to-death.html http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/s...007061,00.html http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/405259.stm http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....s_suicide.html http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1156893.ece http://www.eastbourneherald.co.uk/ha...ile.5260493.jp http://www.lep.co.uk/news/Hanged-man...ion.5276374.jp http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...C4FE611DDB7A19 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...s-suicide.html Canada's Drug Crime rate due to decriminilising http://www.winnipegsun.com/news/cana.../10955301.html Drug rehab for kids on cannabis http://www.eadt.co.uk/content/eadt/n...A20%3A48%3A330 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/ch...50-a-week.html http://www.wellsphere.com/wellpage/marijuana-rehab Addiction http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...addiction.html http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/com...cle5946633.ece Mental Illness http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...ts-397449.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...bis-users.html http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0602160845.htm http://www.gnmhealthcare.com/cgi-bin...alse&lecture=1 http://www.gnmhealthcare.com/cgi-bin...alse&lecture=1 http://www.gnmhealthcare.com/cgi-bin...alse&lecture=1 http://www.psychiatrymatters.md/head..._psychosis.xml http://www.psychiatrymatters.md/head...hosis_risk.xml http://www.psychiatrymatters.md/head..._psychosis.xml http://www.primarypsychiatry.com/asp...articleid=2038 http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...gy-440730.html http://www.mentalhealthcare.org.uk/content/?id=27 http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...a98f9ab41ded86 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...llness-40.html http://www.southendstandard.co.uk/ne...ned_by_police/ http://www.psychiatrymatters.md/head...s@ntlworld.com http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/con...t/66/1/95?home Dutch problems with Cannabis http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...SpG82yJ8piAGlg California problems with cannabis http://articles.latimes.com/2009/may...ion/oe-maher21 Drug dependency in newborns http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...t-1693502.html Causal association between cannabis and psychosis http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/abstract/184/2/110 Slavery and Cannabis http://www.newstatesman.com/law-and-...farms-children Cannabis overdose http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/new...46-23684609/2/ Pharmaceutical, clinically developed drug so no need to smoke cannabis for MS http://www.pharmafocus.com/cda/focus...492783,00.html Skunk Knife murderer http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...D6DE77E0635A80 Psychotic Cannabis user knifes policeman http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...ath/article.do Cannabis induced driver leaves girlfriend for dead http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...-to-death.html More on pharmaceutical use of cannabis to stop "recreational use" http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...t-anymore.html Man stabbed to death http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...y-brother.html Portugal fall in crime rate is due to decriminilisation - problems still rife http://www.addictionpro.com/ME2/dirm...B52AD812DC3644 Quote:
Drug peddling http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/44286...ne_by_bicycle/ "recreational" effects on family http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-e...-dealer-father Drug enduced fatal accident http://austriantimes.at/index.php?id=14004 Cannabis used as rape drug http://www.3news.co.nz/News/National...4/Default.aspx [/rquote][/rquote] |
So there you have it. Statistical evidence against Marijuana legalisation.
It highlights how it is abused for medicinal purposes. Abused by people for medicinal purposes. The mental health problems for ALL EVERY user and a counter argument that is indeniable and completely breakable IF YOU READ IT!!! Deal with it but hey - everybody needs their something - even a bunch of losers who need Cannabis. WEll done this is your life. Don't know about music, don't know about drugs! |
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