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Ramsay 02-10-2009 10:50 AM

Yeah same:sad:

arista 02-10-2009 02:01 PM

[rquote=2618555&tid=147985&author=Niamhxo]I just voted NO :thumbs:[/rquote]

Very Wise of you.

Iceman 02-10-2009 02:54 PM

[rquote=2617733&tid=147985&author=arista]Was just Live On Jeff Randall
SkyNews .


Bad Deal for Ireland
pointed out.
And how the Euro wrecked Ireland.
[/rquote]

The Euro didn't wreck Ireland, you'll see that when you decide to join eventually, whenever you get off your high horses.


Iceman 02-10-2009 02:54 PM

VOTED NO BTW!!!!

Stu 02-10-2009 03:04 PM

Arista, the Euro did not ruin Ireland. You must be a moron to think it did. Read up on things.

Voted NO!

Arneldo 02-10-2009 03:05 PM

I voted for Rodrigo the win The Lisbon Treaty 2009.

Iceman 02-10-2009 03:10 PM

[rquote=2619016&tid=147985&author=Arneldo]I voted for Rodrigo the win The Lisbon Treaty 2009.[/rquote]

:laugh2:

Stu 02-10-2009 03:29 PM

Heard a few reports of black 09 D reg cars pulling up outside polling stations with government officials asking people what they are voting and trying to get them to vote yes.

Scummers!

Iceman 02-10-2009 03:48 PM

* Opinion polls suggest treaty to pass; bond markets nervous

* Turnout expected to pick up later; voting till 2100 GMT

* "No" vote could trigger crises in EU and Ireland

* Irish "Yes" would turn spotlight on Poland, Czech Republic

* Result due on Saturday

(Recasts with more comment, detail)

By Andras Gergely and Darren Ennis

DUBLIN, Oct 2 (Reuters) - The European Union's hopes of greater global clout hinged on Friday on Ireland, where voters decided on the Lisbon Treaty for a second time in a referendum which risks tipping the bloc into crisis if they reject it again.

Brussels is counting on Ireland's three million voters to ratify the charter after they dismissed it last year, stalling the introduction of a long-term president and a stronger foreign policy chief for the EU's near half a billion citizens.

Voting was slow across the country, with turnout at around 20-25 percent by mid afternoon, but officials expect it to pick up when people leave work for the weekend.

"At the moment it is looking good for the 'Yes' vote, but we need people to come out this evening," European Affairs Minister Dick Roche told Reuters.

Opinion polls suggest this time around Ireland will give Lisbon the thumbs up when the results are declared on Saturday.

Dublin has secured concessions from Brussels, and many Irish fear that a second rejection would isolate the country as it battles one of the worst recessions in the western world.

But anger with the government, evidenced in street protests, anti-Lisbon posters and sometimes obscene graffiti decrying the demise of the "Celtic Tiger" economy, have made investors wary of betting on an easy "Yes".

Irish 10-year debt yields have widened more than 20 basis points over their German equivalent, the euro zone benchmark, since Wednesday but may bounce back if the treaty is ratified.

Rejection of the treaty could have serious consequences on the financial markets, said analysts.

"It's just a risk that's probably not worth taking," said Alan McQuaid, chief economist at Dublin-based brokerage Bloxham. "If there were to be a 'No' vote bond yields would just spiral out dramatically on Monday."

Prime Minister Brian Cowen, who could lose his job if he presides over a second defeat, has warned that rejection could provoke an exodus of foreign investment and has urged voters to set aside their feelings about him when they decide.

But his pleas have angered many people struggling with unemployment, higher taxes and the possibility of lower social welfare payments in the next austerity budget.

"I am not going to change my mind from the last time. A 'No' means 'No'," said Ron Russell, 42, as he walked down O'Connell Street, Dublin city's main thoroughfare.

"A lot of my colleagues would share the same opinion, most definitely," he said, as taxi drivers protesting against poor working conditions blocked one lane of traffic with cabs festooned with "No to Lisbon" stickers.

THROUGH GRITTED TEETH

Turnout was particularly low in working class areas, where voters are traditionally hostile to Europe, but even in the leafy middle class Dublin suburb of Booterstown many voters were ticking the "Yes" box with gritted teeth.

"I begrudgingly voted 'Yes' because I felt I had to, to a certain degree," said David Early, a 28-year-old photographer.

The Lisbon Treaty, designed to speed up decision-making in the EU, give it a long-term president and a stronger foreign policy chief, needs to be ratified by all 27 member states in order to take effect.

A second rejection would severely delay EU integration and further enlargement as both France and Germany have said expansion cannot take place if the charter is not in force.

It could also weaken the euro currency amid uncertainty over the bloc's future direction, opening the possibility of a two-tier Europe as some countries push ahead with closer cooperation leaving others behind.

An Irish "Yes" would put pressure on eurosceptic presidents in Poland and the Czech Republic to sign it into law.

President Lech Kaczynski of Poland said he was willing to ratify the charter if Ireland votes "Yes" but Czech President Vaclav Klaus is likely to delay his approval after 17 senators filed a constitutional complaint against the treaty.

But if the Czech Constitutional Court rejects the latest complaint before then he may be forced to adopt, marking the final scene in a tortuous ratification drama. (Additional reporting by Carmel Crimmins in Dublin and Gareth Jones in Warsaw; editing by Janet Lawrence)

Stu 02-10-2009 03:53 PM

COME ON YOU CRAZY CZECHS!

Quote:

Prime Minister Brian Cowen
Viva La Journalism!

Iceman 02-10-2009 03:55 PM

its going to be a YES vote and im gonna get the **** out of dodge...

cant believe we are gonna get this we've already voted ****ing NO NO NO NO NO

NOMEANS NO **** COWEN AND HIS NUMPTY **** ****ING PARTY

Stu 02-10-2009 04:17 PM

http://www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com...d.php?t=167041

Read that. This is an absoloute disgrace.

Still, Lisbon is not sealed with our yes vote. Thank god for that. Still, we let ourselves down today. That news story you reported where the fella felt forced into voting yes ... what a joke of democracy.

Captain.Remy 02-10-2009 04:19 PM

When do we get the results ?

Iceman 02-10-2009 04:20 PM

Later on tonight will be provisionals, will know by early tomorrow morning...(although by the looks of it it's already a low turnout with a YES vote)

Captain.Remy 02-10-2009 04:21 PM

Thanks buddy, I'm looking forward to it. In both cases, it will be an interesting result to talk about.

Iceman 02-10-2009 04:23 PM

[rquote=2619147&tid=147985&author=Captain.Remy]Thanks buddy, I'm looking forward to it. In both cases, it will be an interesting result to talk about.[/rquote]

yeah but its sstill a joke that weve had to vote again just for them to be happy....

3rd time lucky anyone????

Stu 02-10-2009 04:23 PM

Working class areas, typically no voters, have had the worst turnouts. This is going to be a disaster. Let the college elite stick to there political party that have ruined this country. Let them crack open a bubbly at there little Fianna Fail celebrations. Let them forget all the people there party has ****ed over. Let them forget following blindly there party has robbed them of all political free will. Something there bureaucratic Europe will cherish with open arms.

Now down on your knees and open wide for Sarkozy.

Stu 02-10-2009 04:24 PM

[rquote=2619149&tid=147985&author=Iceman][rquote=2619147&tid=147985&author=Captain.Remy]Thanks buddy, I'm looking forward to it. In both cases, it will be an interesting result to talk about.[/rquote]

yeah but its sstill a joke that weve had to vote again just for them to be happy....

3rd time lucky anyone????[/rquote]
Interesting point. We are pretty much even now. I wonder what Cowen would say to a third vote.

:joker:

Iceman 02-10-2009 04:29 PM

Cowen can go and **** himself tha fat greedy bastard

Stu 02-10-2009 04:30 PM

Come to think of it, how many Irish people are actualy on this forum? A little Irish clique could be fun. The Celtic Invasion or something equally pretentious.

Iceman 02-10-2009 04:48 PM

Think theres about 20 give or take...

Iceman 03-10-2009 04:50 PM

****ing YES vote, what a poxy cunting ****ed up country I live in.

Princess 03-10-2009 06:18 PM

I ended up not voting,it was between missing my DART and voting,and then coming home it was have a drink with my friends or not vote. So yeah didn't vote :P

Stu 03-10-2009 06:24 PM

All hail Tony Blair - KING OF EUROPE!

And hey, Ireland were the LUCKY ONES! What about the 50 million who had absolutely no say on something that would DIRECTLY affect there lives?

Most Yes voters and college society Fianna Fail bumlickers also seem to be ignoring the fact that this treaty has not been fully ratified yet. The Polish president will likely sign it, but the Czechs appear very much against it.

Iceman 03-10-2009 06:35 PM

President Tony Blair and I hope all the non voters dont complain when he ****s up all of our countries....


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