I'm sorry but step outside your flowery little bubble where everything is equal and look at this from a realistic point of view.

I was using Marco as an example. We all know he's gay because he admitted it, but if he was still in the closet and was claiming he was straight, would you believe him? After all you can be extremely camp and straight ...

I'd be a bit uncertain tbh, I'd never believe he was fully blown gay if he was how you describe. Bi at most. What you fail to see is that there is psychology attached to sexuality and mannerisms e.g. there have been studies on the way straight and gay people walk.

Or maybe you should stop being a dick and accept that not everyone is as closed minded as you? Instead of me stepping out of my 'flowery little bubble'. Ive never heard anything so patronising in my entire life.

I know camp people who are straight. As I know gay people who are not the slightest bit camp. It happens.


Again, who are you to question what that person says?

Not really, but Joe is nowhere near as camp like Marco, I dont even think Joe is that camp at all. I know a few people that are quite camp but not gay, it is possible (theyve had gfs, and I dont buy this having a gf to cover it up).

Yeah, you're still kind of missing my point. Good at selective reading aren't you?

You mean like you question the way people act branding them with a fake personality etc?

Nah, those people you know are lying and using their girlfriends to cover up the fact that they are gay... :rolleyes:

Thats totally different to steroptyping all camp people as gay...or saying you would question a 'manly man' who said he was gay.

But its still questionning the way someone is. The same principle applies to it.

and for the millionth time I'm not stereotyping all camp people as gay.

No way! :elephant:

Its not at all.

I thought stacey was 'exagerrating' her personality...or being fake whichever you prefer. Because I had seen her doing interviews and even sometimes,rarely on the xtra factor being a lot less 'ditzy' than she was on the main show...

You think Joe is gay because of the ridiculous stereotyping that goes on about gay people.

Like someone said earlier On stereotyping is there for a reason...

And that reason is?

It is, because you're questionning the way someone is and not believing they are genuinely like that. You did the same with Sophie in BB, because everyone acts the same all day every day don't they?

Well some Gays play up to the camp Stereotype some don't. But it's possible to be 'delicate' and not Gay.

In this context, 99.9% of the time overly camp people will be gay. There are obviously exceptions to it, but they are probably few and far between. I really doubt Joe is one of the exceptions.

people who said they know people who know joe have said he is openly bi.

That is not saying they are lying plainly because of stereotyping. If you cant see the difference...then thats up to you.

I dont remember saying that about sophie, but Il believe you anyway, but its still a different thing me saying I think someone is being 'fake' to you saying joe cant be straight because he acts camp.

Joe is not overly camp???

You're basically branding people as a liar because you don't believe they're acting that way, in the same way people who refute someones sexuality are calling them a liar.

So being gay changes your personality then I take it...I thought it was just a sexual preference...obviously not...

Well if we are going by BB, it was fairly obvious that David was Gay. Charlie though was harder to tell at first.

Nah nice try at twisting it though.

Stereotyping is different to personal opinion...however you spin it.

No from the first 3 seconds of his VT it was Very very Obvious

Sod all this if your overly camp your gay business, when was Joe actually overly camp Tom?

He is 100% gay, nothing wrong with it he should just admit it, is image wont be affected at all is he comes out, people will still love him. Its not an issue anymore

Well say if you missed that, the way he acted in the house and stuff was not overly camp, not for the most part.