I know you a lot more than you realize because I once was as gullible as you. In some respects I'd wager I'd know you more than yourself.

Did you even bother looking into the Pat Tillman story I mentioned earlier? They knowly lied about this man's death and they got caught. So what are going to tell me now? That they've learned their lesson and now know that lying and deceiving the American people about issues like this is wrong? If you thought this through as much as you think you have, you'd realize that if they've done it before and didn't get punished (cause nobody was fired) then they're not beneath trying it again.

If the government announced the sun rises in the east, I'd say the sun rises in the South (kidding). Actually, I wouldn't think the sun rises in the South because I see evidence to the contrary every single day of my life. I have seen no evidence that he's dead. But I believe he's dead and my gut says he's been dead for years now.

Guess they're not even releasing photos of Osama at least for the time being. People who say that they're not doing this because it would inflame Middle Eastern people need to do an internet search of American (or maybe even British) troops mistreating the native inhabitants of these countries. You'll find so many ghastly images any terrorist recruiter will have no problem finding powerful images. So what bloody difference does it make to have a photo of Osama with a bullet in his head? And I believe, on the contrary, that an image of Osama with a bullet in his head would deter terrorists. It would show young people in the Middle East a valuable lesson: carry out terrorist actions against the United States and one way or another we will get you. I can't understand how seeing an image of a terrorist with a bullet in his head will make people want to become terrorists. It's illogical and irrational. Maybe one of you sheeple can tell me where I'm wrong with that.

All we have is their word and the media is reporting their word as though it was gospel. Even I am surprised at how bold the federal government is in declaring Osama dead and not thinking they have an obligation to provide any proof whatsoever. Not only that, they supposedly ditched the one piece of evidence that can't be faked: the body.

Someone said that there will always be people who accuse the government of faking pictures or videos and that's why it makes no sense to ditch the one definitive piece of evidence that proves he's dead. There will always be people who doubt the official story but how they've handled it has now insured that many more will doubt it. Far from killing him, in some respects they'll make him immortal because there will now be a lot more people who think that he's still alive. The only way that I can see ditching the body makes a bit of sense is if they didn't actually have the body.

Ummm, move the camera! :amazed:

Lol rage much? :joker: he's crazy!

He is Anal
keeps going on about ******s,

Im just sick of them boasting about this as if its a huge success and shows the US to have highly intelligent services that can hunt down anybody anywhere...blahblah

er...TEN YEARS!

seems your intelligence is a bit slooooooow. Better late than never but its nothing to brag about taking that long(and spending billions) to do a job that should have been done 10 years back.

Seems people are easily fooled into seeing a blatant fail as a huge success. Nice PR spin.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13313201

Great, so now the evidence we have is the government's word and an alleged al Qaeda statement posted in a "jihad forum". Well, it was from a poster who claimed he was al qaeda so it must be al qaeda. There's no way anyone in government would set up a fake account and claim to be al qaeda and anyone who thinks such a thing was possible is most likely a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy nut. Case closed, me thinks.

Look, MTVN, I know in your mind this is credible evidence but it's just not good enough. I'm tempted (though I think I might get into trouble) to get a new user name called Alqaeda and post a thread which "confirms" his death.

Maybe you should examine this quote from the Washington Post dated May 25, 2010.

A credible newspaper reporting that the CIA made a fake bin Laden video tape. Far more credible and worthy of attention than a statement from an internet forum does, me thinks. So you tell me: would a group that faked a bin Laden tape be beneath posting fake internet statments?

Does this have any affect on you? Does that change your standards for evidence in believing bin Laden died in the manner described in any way at all? They're admitting to faking video evidence. I'd wager diamond to dollar that this little bit of information I've just given you, free of charge, is goint to go in one ear and out the other.

To be honest, the credibility of the government is so bad that the only thing that could confirm bin Laden's death is possession of his body and allowing the media to examine it unedited. And they say they ditched the body. Brilliant.

I love how, by thinking you're this enlightened genius, you try and be all condescending but just end up making ridiculous statements and claims. Sure, the statements authenticity is not yet confirmed but it was posted on a jihadist website where Al Qaeda have often released messages. It's just ridiculous for you to say that you creating an Al Qaeda account would be anyway near as credible evidence. I think, if it was a fake statement, Al Qaeda would have already refuted it by now dont you?

That article is just stupid, it reads like it's designed to take the piss, as if any of those vidoes would actually have been made in all seriousness by the CIA. The irnoy is of course, with you conspiracy nuts, is that you criticise others for occasionally believeing what the government says - when there is nothing to prove the contrary - yet you then lap up every absurd theory that comes your way, and start preaching it like it's gospel. I know your a big fan of Ron Paul so hate government and, seemingly by extension, everything that it does or says, but try and be objective for a minute. You'd already decided it was a conspiracy from the moment the news broke.

Just wonderin
 

I wonder why the people of pakistan haven’t yet caused an outcry as to how the US government illegally crossed an international border, attacked a house, murdered it’s inhabitants, stole a body of a person they’d killed, without giving any proof to the government or people of that country as to justify the crime they’d committed, and then “dumped it in the sea” well short of the amount of time it takes to do a proper dna test which apparently takes a few days of code reading. And then have the audacity to blame the country they illegally entered for harbouring an unconvicted (not even charged with a crime)person. Even if they handed over the body of the person they’d murdered for examination it would have been illegal.

Best article on the subject yet
 

Your use of the word "apparently" confirms your guessing and therefore full of excrement.
It might be true it might not but to make a fool of yourself by committing to the tin hat brigade without any facts to back it up shows a lack of intelligence.

well done.

(I usually giggle at the way some people who should know better judge me by the stare in my sig but in this case horsey judge me by my sig) :)

i like how someone decided it be good to film Bin Laden whilst he sat watching the tele, good stuff

Well it's a conspiracy either way. A conspiracy is where two or more people plan to do something surreptitiously. I'd say the killing of Osama (if true) is a conspiracy as the people who did it conspired to do murder. Would you disagree?

Secondly, I knew it was certainly a lie when they said they buried his body at sea. Before then I decided to withhold judgement and see what evidence or proof they would provide the public. They've given us nothing. When there is no evidence the appropriate thing to do is judge based upon history and the integrity of the people involved. History tends to suggest that it is all a fairy tale. And just about every campaign promise by Obama has not only been a lie but a spectacular lie. The man has no integrity. I've actually seen Obama give a campaign speech and got a touch of his hand. I can't comprehend how every four years we go through this ritual where they say they're going to do something, go around shake people's hands, and then completely backtrack once in office.

And, yeah, I'm a big fan of Ron Paul. If you demand integrity in a politician, you have to like him almost by default. Last election I donated hundreds of dollars to his campaign and I've made several youtube videos supporting him, two of which had the honor of making it onto his main campaign website, and one video I made currently has over a quarter of a million views. It's called The George Bush You Forgot, which gives credance to Ron Paul's claim that he's running on George Bush 2000's foreign policy. You may want to have a look...


I don't hate government. I hate unconstitutional bloated government. Just about every government department or institution, no matter how noble or well-intentioned it starts out, ultimately ends up being a tool used to serve the powerful and well-connected. And, that being the case, if want to help the poor and powerless you ought to be in favor of reducing the size and scope of governmental power over our lives. That's what I believe, crazy or not.

Well I dont have much interest in a pedantic argument over terminology, but in this context, using the word conspiracy, we're referring to the belief that the version we have been told is a lie.

And in that case you're basing your whole theory on an irrational suspicion. Looking at the reasons for Bin Laden being buried at sea they are not that difficult to comprehend, nor do they strike me as overly peculiar. Practically everything points to the official account being correct; we know for a fact that the Americans were conducting an operation in that area at the time they said, this is documented, we know that both the Taliban and now Al Qaeda have confirmed his death and so far there is no actual hard evidence to suggest the contrary. You cant really just disregard that because you're slightly suspicious as to why they might bury him at sea.

Dont get me wrong, I'm not immediately accepting every single thing that has been reported & the story does seem to have changed a little bit over the last week; firstly he was killed in a firefight when he was unarmed, and secondly he apprently used his wife as a human shield which turned out to be false. But these are minor details and the broad account of what happened would seem to be right - Bin Laden was killed by American forces on the 2nd of May.

The video is interesting but doesnt tell me anything I didnt already know; Bush was hypocrite, no surprise at that. I too am against big government and would consider myself pretty libertarian (small "l") but that doesnt mean I am suspicious of every single thing it does or says