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Omah 05-09-2011 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 4531473)
I agree, so does that mean if the guy filmed himself having sex with the prostitute it would then be legal? :conf:

In the United Kingdom, prostitution itself (the exchange of sexual services for money) is not a crime, but a number of related activities, including soliciting in a public place, kerb crawling, owning a brothel, pimping and pandering, are crimes.

Livia 05-09-2011 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Omah (Post 4531512)
In the United Kingdom, prostitution itself (the exchange of sexual services for money) is not a crime, but a number of related activities, including soliciting in a public place, kerb crawling, owning a brothel, pimping and pandering, are crimes.

Bugger... I was going pandering this weekend.

Niamh. 05-09-2011 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Omah (Post 4531512)
In the United Kingdom, prostitution itself (the exchange of sexual services for money) is not a crime, but a number of related activities, including soliciting in a public place, kerb crawling, owning a brothel, pimping and pandering, are crimes.

It's a bit ridiculous really, I mean I don't understand how abortion is legal, because it's a womans right and it's her own body etc etc but then she doesn't have the right to charge men for sex with her own body.

Omah 05-09-2011 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 4531528)
It's a bit ridiculous really, I mean I don't understand how abortion is legal, because it's a womans right and it's her own body etc etc but then she doesn't have the right to charge men for sex with her own body.

She does :

In England and Wales and in Northern Ireland it is ONLY an offence to pay for sex with a prostitute who has been “subjected to force” and this is a strict liability offence (clients can be prosecuted even if they didn’t know the prostitute was forced).

It is illegal to buy sex from a person younger than 18, although the age of consent for non-commercial sex is 16.

Livia 05-09-2011 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Omah (Post 4531537)
She does :

In England and Wales and in Northern Ireland it is ONLY an offence to pay for sex with a prostitute who has been “subjected to force” and this is a strict liability offence (clients can be prosecuted even if they didn’t know the prostitute was forced).

It is illegal to buy sex from a person younger than 18, although the age of consent for non-commercial sex is 16.

I think you're misinterpreting legal intricacies that take years to learn.

Niamh. 05-09-2011 10:20 AM

I'm confused, is prostitution legal in the UK then? I know they're not here:conf:

MTVN 05-09-2011 10:21 AM

The UK law sounds a bit complicated, seems that it might be alright for one person to pay another person to have sex with them but then there's loads of laws surrounding it which makes it almost impossible to do so legally

This is from the BBC:

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The laws around prostitution in England and Wales are far from straight-forward. The act of prostitution is not in itself illegal - but a string of laws criminalises activities around it. Under the Sexual Offences Act 2003, it is an offence to cause or incite prostitution or control it for personal gain.

The 1956 Sexual Offences Act bans running a brothel and it's against the law to loiter or solicit sex on the street. Kerb-crawling is also banned, providing it can be shown the individual was causing a persistent annoyance.

Adverts placed in phone boxes have been banned since 2001. Human trafficking, a component of modern prostitution, is also covered by the law. There are also general laws on public nuisance and decency which can be used to target the sex trade.
The law in Scotland is broadly similar but was recently toughened up around kerb crawling and seeking the services of a prostitute.

Omah 05-09-2011 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 4531542)
I think you're misinterpreting legal intricacies that take years to learn.

No, I'm not :

What is the current law on prostitution?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7736436.stm


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The laws around prostitution in England and Wales are far from straight-forward. The act of prostitution is not in itself illegal - but a string of laws criminalises activities around it. Under the Sexual Offences Act 2003, it is an offence to cause or incite prostitution or control it for personal gain.

The 1956 Sexual Offences Act bans running a brothel and it's against the law to loiter or solicit sex on the street. Kerb-crawling is also banned, providing it can be shown the individual was causing a persistent annoyance.

Adverts placed in phone boxes have been banned since 2001. Human trafficking, a component of modern prostitution, is also covered by the law. There are also general laws on public nuisance and decency which can be used to target the sex trade.

Niamh. 05-09-2011 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4531549)
The UK law sounds a bit complicated, seems that it might be alright for one person to pay another person to have sex with them but then there's loads of laws surrounding it which makes it almost impossible to do so legally

This is from the BBC:

So basically you can do it but you can't advertise yourself or the service?

Omah 05-09-2011 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 4531554)
So basically you can do it but you can't advertise yourself or the service?

Yes ..... and doing it under any form of duress is illegal

MTVN 05-09-2011 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 4531554)
So basically you can do it but you can't advertise yourself or the service?

Yeah I guess so and it can't really be done as a business or any kind of organisation

Niamh. 05-09-2011 10:26 AM

hhmmm, why else would you be having sex for money other than as a business transaction though?

Livia 05-09-2011 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Omah (Post 4531552)
No, I'm not :

What is the current law on prostitution?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7736436.stm

Omah, I wrote a dissertation on the Sexual Offences Act as part of my degree. Believe me, it was complicated enough for me not to want to have a tit-for-tat discussion with you unless you can do it without the cut and paste function and without reading from snippets of info you're finding as a result of Googling.

Omah 05-09-2011 10:29 AM

Law to criminalise men who pay for sex with trafficked women
 
Wednesday 19 November 2008 09.15 GMT

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...tution-justice

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New prostitution laws to be set out today will mean a plea of ignorance is no defence for men facing prosecution for buying sex from a woman who has been trafficked or is being exploited by a pimp.

Under proposals to be published today by the home secretary, Jacqui Smith, a man who pays for sex with a woman who has been trafficked or is under the control of a pimp could face a charge of rape, which carries a potential life sentence.

The new offence of paying for sex with somebody who is "controlled for another person's gain" is to carry a hefty fine and a criminal record.

The decision to criminalise men who pay for sex with trafficked women is likely to have a widespread impact. The Metropolitan police have estimated that 70% of the 88,000 women involved in prostitution in England and Wales are under the control of traffickers.

It forms part of a wider package of reforms to tackle street prostitution, including prosecuting first-time kerb crawlers and implementing stronger police powers to close down brothels.

MTVN 05-09-2011 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 4531566)
hhmmm, why else would you be having sex for money other than as a business transaction though?

I've no idea :shrug: All seems a bit complicated, I'd always just thought prostitution was illegal and that was that

Omah 05-09-2011 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 4531567)
Omah, I wrote a dissertation on the Sexual Offences Act as part of my degree. Believe me, it was complicated enough for me not to want to have a tit-for-tat discussion with you unless you can do it without the cut and paste function and without reading from snippets of info you're finding as a result of Googling.

Nothing I have said is incorrect ..... :nono:

Niamh. 05-09-2011 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4531578)
I've no idea :shrug: All seems a bit complicated, I'd always just thought prostitution was illegal and that was that

me too, I don't know why they have to make things so complicated, it obviously is illegal but they don't want to just say that for some reason.

bananarama 05-09-2011 12:09 PM

The whole of society and dating is based on prostitution. Date a lass and buy a meal you are paying for sex. Accept a meal and give sex you are prostituting........

Anyone who thinks they are better than prostitutes and clients are deluding themselves.....

Ammi 05-09-2011 12:24 PM

Is there a difference between prostitution and escorts, I don't know? Seems to me to be one of those things though that doesn't really get addressed properly though. It feels a bit like 'well you can do this, but you can't do that' and I don't see what difference it makes. Imo it should be made more clear and legalised so that women do not continue to be exploited, hurt and abused because they are vulnerable to the illegalities of it

Livia 05-09-2011 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Omah (Post 4531581)
Nothing I have said is incorrect ..... :nono:

You haven't really said anything. You've just cut and pasted some stuff you found online. Opinion is one thing, interpreting what is a very intricate law is something else.

Livia 05-09-2011 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by bananarama (Post 4531741)
The whole of society and dating is based on prostitution. Date a lass and buy a meal you are paying for sex. Accept a meal and give sex you are prostituting........

Anyone who thinks they are better than prostitutes and clients are deluding themselves.....

What a sad, bitter little view you must have of people.

Omah 05-09-2011 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 4531764)
You haven't really said anything. You've just cut and pasted some stuff you found online. Opinion is one thing, interpreting what is a very intricate law is something else.

Of course ..... :thumbs:

But some posters believe that prostitution, per se, is illegal in the UK, which, apparently, is not the case ..... ;)

Of course, I stand to be corrected if you can provide links to learned sources ..... :idc:

Pyramid* 05-09-2011 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Omah (Post 4532027)
Of course ..... :thumbs:

But some posters believe that prostitution, per se, is illegal in the UK, which, apparently, is not the case ..... ;)

Of course, I stand to be corrected if you can provide links to learned sources ..... :idc:

True, and some posters, dare I say MOST posters on here - as well as the vast majority of the public will be under the same perception - given the finely detailed intricacies surrounding the matter.

the concept remains the same - and it is that very fine line that determines what is legal and what is not. (whether we agree with the finer details or not).

Locke. 05-09-2011 03:26 PM

Escorts usually tend to be better looking

Zippy 05-09-2011 03:32 PM

It's just a load of moral BS no doubt linked to the church.

Giving the illusion of not condoning prostitution but still allowing it to happen. It goes on everywhere these days and is not even subtle. I think it's just basically streetwalkers who are targetted because they can be a nuisance to the residence of the area.


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