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The first answer you gave underlined completely my point of the double standards being how AGAIN in the defense of Aaron clearly. It requires no re-answering from you. The second answer didn't answer my question at all and missed the point, as I said...so it wouldn't really be re-answering to reply according to the question... it would be just answering. The third answer I agreed with completely. It again requires no more re-answering again from you Despite what I didn't ask for though, I am still interested in a replyto the second point though, if you have time, which I assume you do because your here making statements to rationalise and support Aaron's corner. |
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Neither to be honest. Hate Aaron so yeah but that way too much to spend on a gift. Not for TV though, they just wanted to be nice.
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I must say I'm not fond of how the use of the word "real" seem to have changed nowadays. It often sounds like it's the equivalent of someone behaving the same way always, no matter the situation or company. To me that's not being real, it's being a self centered prick. |
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They have a social obligation, not to convince him to spend, but to WARN him that they are going to. How would you feel if a brother/sister/friend turned up you a parents/friend's birthday with a £500 gift when you had all already agreed to spend say £10? You would be totally justified in not spending the money but you would still feel guity and annoyed at the other person for not warning you first. |
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From my perspective, had I been Jay or Louise, all 3 of them had been called to the diary room to choose a gift for Tom and Alex,'all' 3 of them said the gifts presented were way too much and refused,then left the diary room. Had I been one of the 3 and I felt I wanted to change my mind and get the gifts,I personally because all 3 of us were called to the diary room in the first place, I would have got the other 2 together and said I felt we should get the gifts. That is the obligation I feel they owed to Aaron, he had no idea they had changed their minds and they did not give him the chance to change his mind by telling him that they had changed theirs. Simple courtesy and since originally BB called all 3 to the diary room,that would have been the better course to take. In my opinion. No double standards,had Aaron gone in and said he wanted to get the gifts and not consulted Jay and Louise as to his change of mind then I would have said that was equally wrong too. This is not likely the answer you want or will accept but it's the only one I am going to give. Best to leave it there I think as we will never agree on very much I doubt. |
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tonight I thought jay and louise especially did make a right horlicks out of what should have been a kind gesture. so in the end they looked a bit like prats. BUT that didnt necessarily make aaron look good. he too was a prat with his attitude and dragging yet another celebration into the gutter. jay and louise have spent their own money the ONLY thing they did wrong was not consult aaron. that looked a bit silly. ok hed said no twice and told them to do what they liked but still I think they should have kept him informed, I would have through principle. ok they knew though as hed been in twice hed say no. but still I think louise mentioning the £500 twice was cringeworthy and also aaron was bemused as tom thanked him. he could have easily told tom he hadnt contributed I think all 3 looked prats in different ways .....louise mentioned the money didnt consult aaron - prat jay less so but didnt consult aaron and later lost his rag -prat aaron endless pouting ruined yet another occasion and he should have ONLY really told jay off for not informing him, he had no real right to say the public would see them as a fake gesture. but aaron has throughout bitched about everyone direct to the public instead of to their face. but he lost hi srag tonight and crossed the line a bit. its not for him or anyone to say it was only for the public. maybe it was maybe it wasnt. maybe everything nice anyone does in there is for cameras? its big brother its articial reality. jays rant about chairs and windows was embarassing but also proved hes not preparing everything he says, he just says it. BUT to prove I am a fair man overall Id say aaron came off best out of this situation. for once he pouted for a legitimate reason. trouble is when you cry wolf 50 times you lose credibility after tonights fiasco Id say tom came out looking the best, again. |
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His honesty asside though, he's probably a no crap kind of guy on the outside and ready to use his fists if he deems neccessary. |
It was incredibly rude of Jay and Louise to go back and agree to get gifts for Alex and Tom when they'd all agreed it was too expensive to do so and decided to leave it. They should have told Aaron what they were doing at the very least. And did you notice they were only too happy to tell them exactly how much they'd spent as well? If I had £900 and my fellow housemates had thousands I wouldn't have given that much away just because Big Brother asked me to. Aaron said he hasn't even spent that much on his son, and the look of shock on his face at the very notion of doing so said it all, really. Jay and Louise still have thousands left, they won't even notice it, but for Aaron it was a much bigger deal.
I think it's immoral to spend that much on shoes or watches, but that's a whole other discussion. Also Aaron looks so HOT when he sulks. Haha |
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The same 'social obligation' that says you should communicate honestly and clearly to the group you have made an agreed plan with before changing your part in that plan? Please... Inventing 'social obligations' for Jay/Lou while ignoring them for Aaron.... |
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Because they did. |
How is it a good deed? It was for votes
Think about it for 1 ducking second. They said they had no 10k before, well now they do. How many close friends and family do they have? Id say 20 easily. 20 people that they care for and love more than Alex Tom. Now if they leave and buy them those types of gifts then **** that's the 10k done for. will jay or Lou spend the 10 k on mates and family? Not a ****ing chance Alex is a joke too with that modeling lie. Anybody stop and think about that? |
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Just so you are aware i am having a discussion on one part of the present-gate saga and not the whole thing, so that may be why I don't understand. |
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Aaron stated TWICE prior he didn't want to spend any of his money on Alex/Tom... Why on earth would anyone ask him a third time or include him in their plans... His feelings were clear. Even if they had told him he probably would have said he felt 'emotionally blackmailed' but was going to 'stick by his principles' or some other victim drivel. The end result wouldn't have changed. He still would have ruined the birthdays, simply for camera time. Also, you avoided my question... I asked; The same 'social obligation' that says you should communicate honestly and clearly to the group you have made an agreed plan with before changing your part in that plan? Why do you insist on 'social obligations' from others but not from Aaron? |
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The example I gave aboves sums up what I meant very clearly. As for what would have happend next, neither of us are mindreaders, so who knows? I avoided your other question as; A. I dont know what you are reffering too. B. Even if I did I have a feeling it hasnt got much to do with our discussion. I look foward to your reply, but I can't respond till tommorow, nighty night. |
jay and louise made a few harmless misjudgements tonight. aaron though broke his word and a group agreement theyd all put each other up for nomination the previous week
he breaks the agreement without even telling them. that was disgraceful. that basically showed him to be a dishinest person. he of course manipulated it to try and look good. BUT all he had to do was tell the group before hand and not agree to the group voting in the first place. |
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I just think Jay probably tried to gain the upperhand over Aaron on this one, perhaps because he see's Aaron as a Gameplayer. Social Obligation's are for Social situations, and not to be aplied imo where two people are playing games with each other in BB. |
Oh whatever. Aaron IS Big Brother this year.
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Aaron, 'If you two want to, carry on, you take the glory"
He actually gives them the go ahead and makes it extremely clear he doesn't want to get involved. I have no idea why Aaronites are making out that it was then somehow sneaky of Jay and Lou to do exactly what he told them to do. It is all just so clear, and yet it's still twisted and rationalised by the 'faithfull'. |
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