I'm sharing my success story Omah and showing that there is life after the dole queue...... and not only my own but of others around me.

So it's meant to be hard getting a job....???!!!
so please... someone care to explain to me why there are those in society who bleat on about it being so hard to get work - or work that pays well.... because from the evidence I've seen over the past few weeks: getting a new job is far from difficult.

This is the title of your thread and a quote from the OP.

Not being rude pyra but it does sound just a little smug and patronising.
Especially if like me you are a jobseeker who is not finding it at all easy.

Such an inspiration to us all, I see a Pride of Britain award in your future.

My points have been valid since my opening post.


Or it is more that members are only happy to hear of bad luck stories - or are only delighted when bad things are happening to others?? They aren't wanting to hear or discuss the possibility that the world is not all a place of gloom and doom as far as job seeking goes: that jobs are there - that they can be got.



Your own situation may be reflecting negatively on your view Kiz - that's all I can say to you.

Thank you Dezzy. I know you wrote that without any hint of sarcasm, dig or attempt to have a rip at me.

Now.... anyone wanting to actually discuss the topic - and the areas which appear to have been guilded over - you know, the part about temporary work in the intermin - that part seems to be have bodyswerved in no small amount.

I see no topic to discuss other than "I've got a job why don't others? :conf2: :conf2: :conf2:"

This thread's incredibly offensive and arrogant.

If you find it so incredibly offensive and arrogant - why post in it then?

The topic is open for discussion as to why there is a general consensus that finding work is so difficult: when it is not always the case.

Perhaps you prefer taking a more negative view Shaun rather than open yourself up to take part in the discussion and that is why you find it so offensive a thread?

Your point is only valid in relation to your own situation. It is subjective and not representative of the plight of jobseekers in todays society.

I don't feel members are happier with bad luck stories, I am very happy for you and your collegues. However, I don't agree it is as easy as you found it to find work and to suggest it is and the current economic crisis has not impacted on the jobs market is wrong.

You may be right I may be feeling negative, to hear your suggestion that jobseekers deliberately hinder their own progress I find personally insulting.

Where precisely did I say that jobseekers deliberately hinder their own progress... I stated no such thing.

I do believe that there is an element of those seeking jobs, who expect it all to land in their lap and who 'create obstacles' in them gaining employment. I do feel that there are those in society who do bleat that there are no jobs available - when they really don't do a great to help themselves - just as I am sure there are those who do try hard and long, with no success.

My point is that there appears to be this view overall that 'people just cannot get work' - when I don't feel that's a true view. I have that right to that opinion - just as you have a right to disagree with it.

Why you should find that insulting is beyond me unless you are taking that personally. Understandably it may be an emotional topic for you and if you find it's a subject that is affecting you on such a level, perhaps then it's one of those topics that is best you don't become too involved in. However, your own feelings should not override the right for others to debate the topic.

It doesn't invalidate the right to the discussion.

There...You just said it right there pyra,
It is affecting me only as far as I as a jobseeker have heard this 'don't work won't work' rubbish before in relation to the unemployed and I feel it is unfair.
By all means debate the topic, I would never suggest my feelings would or should override or invalidate the right to the discussion ...What a strange thing to say...

I'm sorry for your own situation Kizzy but that should not stifle anyone elses right to discussion - as you are attempting to do with the personalisation and emotive words you are using.

Try using a persons full comments as quoted Kiz, rather than cherry picking bits to suit your own agenda.

my full comment was:

I'll go on the premise that you aren't understanding what the words I used, mean:- 'an element of those seeking jobs who expecte it all to land in their land and who create obstacles....' means.

It means not everyone... it means some, not all.

"This thread's incredibly offensive and arrogant. ~"


No Shaun it is not
its a Viewpoint.


Not a offence, honey

Just to add my two-cents worth (it's 2 in the morning here so I'm not reading through pages and pages of discussion, forgive me) but when I was a manager and I got made redundant a few years ago, it knocked my confidence a dash and meant I had to take on jobs that were of a lower role and pay. I soon found my way back onto my feet though. There are always jobs available, it's just a case of actually looking and trying your hardest to make an outstanding impression on first contact. Some people like to make excuses and blame everything else as to why they cannot do things when infact their only excuse for not getting anywhere is themselves.

I just stated I was not doing this pyra...you are just repeating yourself now.
If I have personalised the issue it is because you did...It was your own personal experience that it was easy to find employment..It is my experience that it is not.
I only quoted sections of your post as I felt you contradicted yourself, if you don't agree fine.
I do understand pyra thankyou.

You are, like the OP, offering a subjective experience as fact.

There are always jobs available Omah. That is fact.

There are always jobs available. That is a fact. Maybe not all at the same time, but day after day new jobs appear as others fill up. Getting a job takes time and effort, those that look hardest, not fussy and are the most determined will generally find something pretty quickly.

You say that in your own experience, that it is not easy to find employment. Do you mean that you are finding it difficult to obtain a job in your chosen field, and remain unemployed whilst you hunt?

What would prevent you from taking on temporary work in the interim - there are many many such vacancies via agencies that can be used to fill the gaps - as well as providing opportunities to you in fields that perhaps you would never have considered previously - as well as gaining new experience in different job roles.

Of course there are but the difference between each persons personal circumstances are vast. It may be ok for ben to take a pay cut and rebuild, flip that and imagine a 38yr old father of 3 with a morgage made redundant...

We could sit here flinging hypotheticals about till the cows come home, fact is when you have a job it is so easy to look down on those who don't.

Pyramid please don't patronise me! I do not need employment advice from you thankyou very much.

True

Usually true

Many categories of the unemployed will consider that statement absolute piffle and unsupportable balderdash

Not patronising you at all Kizzy. I'm asking you for some contribution as to why you keep saying it is so difficult to find employment.

I'm asking you a question -that is a world away from being patronising.

Spoken like a Tory Assistant Under-Secretary for Employment (age 23, Eton, Cambridge, PPE (2nd)) ..... :yuk:

Of course, people will have different circumstances: one size doesn't fit all, just as one excuse doesn't fit all.

Why should a 38 year old with a mortage,with 3 kids find it so hard to take a pay cut - versus being on the dole and receiving far less money into the household? Dependant on the type of mortgage he has, he may not get assistance in paying that - so if anything: having a mortgage (and on the premise, no redundancy protection insurance) - that's actually a better motivator to get a job - lower salary or not.

If the kids are of school age: what prevents him from taking work - even if it is lower paid that his previous salary?

Try defending your side of the argument instead of personally attacking the poster Omah.

You're patronising again ?

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